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Westministenders: The Slow Reveal

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2018 23:16

The DUP are playing silly buggers.
The EU are getting nervous and turning down the pressure.
The ERG still want Schroedingers Brexit.
The Budget is coming. So is a government defeat or climb down.
The M26 is closing.

Keep thinking of the glorious freedom your blue passport will give up whilst you search waste tips.

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 19:21

Sarah Wollaston @ sarahwollaston
More grim #BrexitReality as Astra Zeneca halts investment in UK. No one voted to decimate medical research.

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 19:23

Beth Rigby @bethrigby
Damian Green says there is an enormous majority in house for a deal. Which is true, but not, as it stands, for the deal Mrs May is negotiating. The only thing there’s a majority in the HoC for is staying in the customs union, but it that would rip her party apart

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 19:24

Jessica elgot @ jessicaelgot
The mood of the Commons should seriously worry Downing Street. No support for the PM's plan coming from any quarter. To me, it's the first day that no deal starts to feel tangible.

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Banamara · 15/10/2018 19:25

Blaming the EU was always going to be the result of a hubristic Tory Party anyway. No surprises there.

But many can see through this. And if they don't, who really cares anymore. We are heading for disaster anyway, and the EU to my mind have been very conciliatory so far. Just shaking their heads in wonderment at the mess across the pond.

Sadly, all this has shown up the UK for what it is. A tight party before country set up.

Should be looking out for everyone instead.

Thomasinaa · 15/10/2018 19:26

The SNP should vote against a No Deal, FGS. Even if independence happens, it will take years, and in the meantime Scotland will be devastated.

Banamara · 15/10/2018 19:27

Why would many in the Commons not want a deal?

I am very puzzled by this.

TheElementsSong · 15/10/2018 19:28

No one voted to decimate medical research.

I dunno, I mean, haven't the people had enough of experts?

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 19:28

Nick Gutteridge @nick_gutteridge
Senior diplomatic source says EU negotiators were ‘astonished’ by British ‘intransigence’ over linking the Brexit bill to a trade deal and this contributed to tensions on Sunday as well as Irish issue. They feel UK is trying to reopen sequencing of talks it previously agreed to.

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Thomasinaa · 15/10/2018 19:29

Labour are apparently in favour of the UK being devastated, so that they can gain power despite being unpopular and incompetent and rebuild it along hard left lines. They have never had a genuine Brexit or anti Brexit plan - it's all been about political advantage, and stuff the UK population.

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 19:30

Harry Cole @ mrharrycole
Commons due to sit until 2200 tonight. We were told there was not enough time for the main business of the day.. but now they are clocking off at 7? Hmm

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bellinisurge · 15/10/2018 19:34

I'm absolutely certain Corbyn sees the chaos as an opportunity. Which might explain why people are not flocking to Labour and their "designed to fail" six tests. Starmer knows better. Maybe he hopes to jump in when Corbyn bubble pops.

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 19:34

Henry Zeffman @ hzeffman
Kate Green, who voted against John Bercow being investigated over allegations he bullied staff, has just been elected unopposed as the chair of the Commons standards committee

Lots of comments over the stitch up / whitewash this represents

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GD12 · 15/10/2018 19:34

@Thomasinaa because it'll destroy Scotland and people will blame it on England and make Independence very likely. There's so much politics going on with Brexit it's insane. If it were really for the good of the UK, A50 would've been recinded by now.

GD12 · 15/10/2018 19:35

@bellinisurge Corbyn is more of a leaver than May, always has been.

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 19:36

Jim Pickard @pickardje
perfect Theresa May analogy from @bbclaurak on Today programme: “She’s like a chess player who only has the king left....”

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bellinisurge · 15/10/2018 19:38

@GD12 - totally agree. He's a Leaver and always has been. She's trying to be a grown up in a permanent soft play warehouse full of tantrumming toddlers.

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 19:40

In personal news, after what seemed a good house viewing on sat (DH had to do it due to an estate agent cock up. He said the people who viewed were the ideal type of people to buy our house), we've not had a phonecall today. We've spent the weekend getting excited about options for where we could move to. But neither of us disappointed that call hasn't come.

So we sit and wait. And wonder if fate will take us to the EU anyway.

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Thomasinaa · 15/10/2018 19:47

Scotland will be damaged by a bad Brexit deal, just not as badly as by a No Deal. If the SNP can't win a referendum based on that, and the last 2 years, and austerity and all the rest of the Tory shitfest, they don't deserve to win. If they're prepared to see Scotland severely damaged by enabling a no deal for political advantage, they are as atrocious as the rest of our politicians.

Peregrina · 15/10/2018 19:50

Why would many in the Commons not want a deal?

The ERG and their hedge fund manager friends. They will make loads of money shorting the £ and are wealthy enough themselves to ride out austerity. At the worst, their wealth will enable them to buy their way out of the country, if they really don't like having to step over the homeless on their way to their favourite restaurants or the theatre.

Why an MP like Sarah Wollaston doesn't resign the Tory whip and sit as an Independent is beyond me. I believe she was a Leaver who has changed her mind now that she has seen the detail.

If A50 were really good for the UK it would never have been invoked in the first place. We might then have thrown our weight behind trying to work with our EU partners, to make the Union better. Instead we still have half an eye on the 'special relationship' with the USA, which hasn't existed since Suez at least, and still think we will be able to boss the Commonwealth states around.

Banamara · 15/10/2018 19:51

Businesses have been very slow to show their concerns. I cannot fathom why they have been so relatively silent. But anyway.

Maybe if that ramps up a bit, who knows?

bellinisurge · 15/10/2018 19:51

Don't forget that momentum types want chaos too.

Peregrina · 15/10/2018 19:54

And wonder if fate will take us to the EU anyway.

Good luck. DS is in the same situation - was hoping to sell, positive viewings but no offer. He has now landed a job in France. Not entirely Brexit related, because he's been looking for a few years. He's working now on EU projects which will be pulled out of the UK sooner or later, and will be able to continue to work on some of them.We are just crossing our fingers that it doesn't all fall through. So the house will probably be rented for a couple of years until they see how the land lies.

Banamara · 15/10/2018 19:55

Peregrina,

Thank you for that.

Shows how much our MPs represent the common person after all. They should be representing US!

Oh and Trump wants to get rid of the WTO, and as we all know there are dodgy dealings with Putin via the US, who would ever have thought that!

Strange machinations are afoot.

GD12 · 15/10/2018 19:56

@Banamara businesses don't want to be seen as taking sides in such a fierce debate. Haulage companies of course have been forced to sign NDAs by the government.