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Brexit

Westministenders: The Slow Reveal

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2018 23:16

The DUP are playing silly buggers.
The EU are getting nervous and turning down the pressure.
The ERG still want Schroedingers Brexit.
The Budget is coming. So is a government defeat or climb down.
The M26 is closing.

Keep thinking of the glorious freedom your blue passport will give up whilst you search waste tips.

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Motheroffourdragons · 16/10/2018 22:01

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prettybird · 16/10/2018 22:04

If you go by the introductory highlights on the BBC 10pm news, Brexit is going to be the 8th item, if it's on the news at all, as it wasn't mentioned Hmm

woman11017 · 16/10/2018 22:05

GD12
Yes! Madness, that O'Carroll tweet has disappeared!

It's made Greece a poorer place
It did. It was awful an awful imposition I agree. But Greece is now beating britain in economic growth.

Germany is also at present in discussions with Greece to pay reparations for the war.

Greece is currently on 59% happy to be in EU.

(compared to the current 66% of British people who are happy to stay in the EU Smile)

24 schools opened this year in Greece courtesy of EU funding.

We could have done with that here.

Madness

GD12 · 16/10/2018 22:09

@Motheroffourdragons Absolutely. Someone from the EU could travel freely to Ireland then get into the UK unless there customs and checks so a hard border is necessary.

GD12 · 16/10/2018 22:11

@woman11017 Yep. I don't want to making everyone miserable or be negative but May has decided on a hard Brexit. That's it.

Banamara · 16/10/2018 22:15

So to keep Boris and Gove out May will destroy the UK. Very patriotic.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2018 22:21

The UK govt and the anti-EU tabloids were very much against helping Greece during the crisis,
imo more so than the much maligned German govt

  • I was commuting / living in both Germany and the UK at the time and I noticed the difference in tone between the 2 countries, exasperated sympathy vs angry blame

The UK was one of the most hardline nations at the time (in the IMF and also with shares in the ECB)
spurred on by the tabloids, furious that any British taxpayers money be used to prop up "spendthrift" Greeks who apparently retire at 55 and don't pay their taxes ( the latter claim has considerable truth)

It was cited as another example of British money being wasted on EU countries

GD12 · 16/10/2018 22:24

@Banamara Literally everything points to that and she gets to cling onto power. She.also doesn't need a commons vote for a hard Brexit according to this... twitter.com/J_amesp/status/1052269167095746560?s=19

woman11017 · 16/10/2018 22:25

May has decided on a hard Brexit. That's it
The lady's not for turning. Wink

Trouble is, the 'crash out' is not the worst of it. Initial food, flight and medicinelessness should eventually be mitigated. What happens to our laws, military and parliament is what they're after. And all those nasty tax laws their bosses can now evade. It'll be an April fools day like no other.

missmoon · 16/10/2018 22:26

I seem to remember a poll showing that most Greeks blame their own politicians for the crisis, rather than the EU.

GD12 · 16/10/2018 22:28

@woman11017 Yes, yes, yes.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2018 22:37

The CTA is a Common TRAVEL Agreement
BUT
It does not grant any rights to permanent residence, to take employment, start a business, to receive benefits, healthcare etc
It does not cover the right to bring goods over.

It enables visits to family / friends and for tourism, cultural exchanges
but nothing longterm and nothing commercial

In practice, anyone can go from England to NI, then across the border to the RoI;
their passport wouldn't be checked

If there is a no deal Brexit, then I would expect the RoI / EU to use an emergency WTO waiver stating that due to the unique historical situation / recent Troubles
and because of the tiny % of EU imports that come through NI,
that there would be a light touch border affecting only large goods vehicles.

Maybe involving checks for larger businesses at the NI end and then transporting the goods via sealed vehicles.

Few WTO countries, if any, would challenge this light touch proposal for such a special case involving such a small population.

I also expect that there would be an RoI policy, official or unofficlal, to discourage importing British goods to any business that also exported to the RoI.

Because of the danger of British goods still getting into the supply chain, this would lead to a sharp eeduction in importing British goods

Peregrina · 16/10/2018 22:37

It's all so very very depressing. (Not a helpful contribution from me!)
But then, in 1979 I never thought that Communism in E Europe would be on the point of collapse ten years later.

[clutching at straws]

RedToothBrush · 16/10/2018 22:41

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3396894-Westministenders-Deadline-Day-1?watched=1

New thread.

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borntobequiet · 16/10/2018 22:42

May has been saying no deal is better than a bad deal from the start so perhaps we shouldn’t be too surprised.
Re EU funded schools in Greece: the European Social Fund pays for programmes in this country that help people without formal qualifications gain them. I have taught a number of people who can’t progress in the workplace without GCSEs gain Level 2 English and Maths, funded by the ESF. I doubt this will be replaced by the UK government at any point.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2018 22:43

To add to the joy, around Brexit Day would be a good time for this:

UK to be hit by 'category 1' cyber emergency, intelligence chief warns

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/uk-cyber-attack-emergency-gchq-hacking-hostile-russia-china-category-1-ncsc-a8585751.html

“The majority of these incidents were, we believe, perpetrated from within nation states in some way hostile to the UK,” he said.
“They were undertaken by groups of computer hackers directed, sponsored or tolerated by the governments of those countries.
These groups constitute the most acute and direct cyber threat to our national security."

“I remain in little doubt we will be tested to the full, as a centre, and as a nation, by a major incident at some point in the years ahead, what we would call a category 1 attack.”

The NCSC defines a category 1 incident as an attack which causes “sustained disruption” of essential services or affects national security, leading to severe economic or social consequences, or to loss of life.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2018 22:49

The European Social Fund is one of several valuable EU programs - yes, partly using our own money, but what a UK govt would have otherwise used as tax cuts for the wealthy.

There are also regional programs that helped renew de-industrialised towns and have gradually built up jobs.
e.g. There was a big EU renewal program in Yorkshire

We'll miss all that 

prettybird · 16/10/2018 22:52

missmoon - we were in Greece on holiday at the time of the Referendum and talked a lot with different Greeks about it (eg cycle hire lady, wine shop lady, taxi driver, hotel owner, hotel owner's dad - we used to go to the same place every year) and that was very much their view. Most of their opprobrium was laid at the door of their own politicians and not the EU, although there was some resentment of the Germans (but even more at their own politicians). This was partly historical as we go to one of the Ionian Islands and they had a very bad experience of the German occupation and long memories Sad

woman11017 · 16/10/2018 22:53

UK to be hit by 'category 1' cyber emergency, intelligence chief warns

BigChoc we had a short odd power cut a few weeks ago, and the same tonight. Took a while for tinternet to warm up after.

James Patrick has been tweeting about this being an inevitable next stage. It's happened in the US already with power companies targetted.

We are a sitting target.

It's not our stuff, but a bit of wonderful news today is that the great young feminist scientist and activist, Magdelen Berns has survived a serious surgery and is up and smiling.

It's not brexit, but she's one of our own, and it's just a bit of good news to end the day on. Smile

Icantreachthepretzels · 16/10/2018 22:59

It's not our stuff, but a bit of wonderful news today is that the great young feminist scientist and activist, Magdelen Berns has survived a serious surgery and is up and smiling.

I just saw the Magdelen Berns thread about her needing surgery - I didn't realise it was an older one with an updated happy ending, I thought it was breaking news.
I love Magdelen Berns - your post has just cheered me up no end woman

woman11017 · 16/10/2018 23:04

Smile She's not out of the woods, but I am just glad she's still with us for a bit longer, pretzels. Smile

mathanxiety · 17/10/2018 03:20

www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/irish-house-prices-are-heading-for-soft-landing-s-p-1.3616705
The Irish Times assessment of Irish house prices to 2021 is completely at odds with that of Jim Pickard's "senior UK gov figure".
Jim Pickard @ pickardje
senior UK gov figure on the consequences for Ireland of a no-deal Brexit: “They would be hit the hardest, they would be fucked, less food security, smaller country, small economy, less ability to manoeuvre, if you think our house prices will fall 30% theirs will go down 50-60%”.

The IT quotes economists and ratings agencies. The "senior UK gov figure" appears to be pulling dire scenarios out of his ass.

I suspect the 'senior government figure' is trying to rattle the Irish government, maybe assuming there is no other source for prognostications available to the Irish...

borntobequiet · 17/10/2018 05:55

I still think that as in the past, England’s difficulty is Ireland’s opportunity.

mathanxiety · 17/10/2018 06:26

I would put that intelligence warning about hacking 'some time in the future' in the 'look, a squirrel' category, BGF.

woman11017 · 17/10/2018 08:03

I would put that intelligence warning about hacking 'some time in the future' in the 'look, a squirrel' category
Russian hackers penetrate US power stations
www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44937787
www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/us/politics/russian-hackers-electric-grid-elections-.html

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