Westministenders: The Slow Reveal

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The DUP are playing silly buggers.
The EU are getting nervous and turning down the pressure.
The ERG still want Schroedingers Brexit.
The Budget is coming. So is a government defeat or climb down.
The M26 is closing.

Keep thinking of the glorious freedom your blue passport will give up whilst you search waste tips.

The EU's original plan was a UK -wide backstop, with the UK joining EEA /EFTA

With the actual backstop only ever coming into effect if the Uk left

When it was talked about in Dec last year, the understanding of the Dec agreement was that the British seemed to have was the whole country stayed in the customs union temporarily. Johnson and Davis agreed to this.

Then it later seemed to have transpired there was a communication problem and the EU thought they had agreed to it being in the Irish Sea and not for the whole of the UK.

So really we are back to this agreement and there not being a resolution over it and the exact wording, which seems to have have got lost in translation somewhere along the lines.

But I'd argue that this is progress to just to get back to square 1! Such is the clusterfuck we've had.

The roadblock is NI - but most Brexiters couldn't give a damn if they join the RoI
Only a few like Gove are fanatical Unionists

However the DUP have a once in a century grip on the govt's throat, because May has no HoC majority for No Confidence votes without them.

The DUP with its 292,000 votes in the last General Election is controlling the UK govt of 65 million people

In a nutshell, this is May's speech:

Nick Eardley @nickeardleybbc
“Two problems remain”

“Boris” shouts a backbencher

Stewart McDonald MP @StewartMcDonald
Arlene being the second

Thank you for explaining it.
Mind you I still have no clue what is going on.

Best thing now, imo:

an emergency GE and - for Brexit at least - a Labour govt, maybe in a temporary alliance with SNP and LibFems, that would sign a Withdrawal Agreement

None of the other parties, certainly not Corbyn, would crash out with no deal just over the NI backstop.
Agree a vague framework for a future trade deal that leaves open anything from Canada to Norway.
Job done

Even if the Tories win the GE, the arithmatic is unlikely to leave the DUP in control again.

If there is another hung parliament, there might even be a temporary Con-Lab alliance just for Brexit

• a Grand Coalition is what would have happened in Germany after the last GE and that is what is needed, negotiating for the whole country, not just to avoid a Tory party civil war.

This is painfully "Nothing's changed" nothingness.

mother it means checks, which could be at mainland ports and very discrete
Arlene should be told to fuck off
If the DUP drag down the whole UK into a crash out Brexit, then I hope they become the national scapegoats

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Boris asks, is December 2021 still the deadline for the temporary CU?
PM: “We set that point as the expectation”.
Another direct Q ducked by May. Not exactly reassuring many of her own here.

Should just do what is good for the majority of people and that is becoming obvious now despite the Will of the People Ref.

Go ahead May, let Snarlene bring the Government down. Have an election. Then the EU will extend the timelines because of that election.

The DUP just cannot be allowed to run the UK to the ground like this. Their intransigence is appalling. Although I do realise they are playing to their own gallery. Most of whom I might add will lose vast EU subsidies as the DUP have a lot of fat cat farmers on their books.

Time to lead May, not be led anymore...

The SNP would never sign up to any Withdrawal Agreement as it is not the will of the Scottish people.

The Labour Party would need to get its act together on its own or possibly with the LibDems and/or Conservative rebels who are prepared to put country before party

Labour under corb has previously said it won't do a coalition with SNP. He was on his high horse about independent Scotland being damaging to scotish people....bell end.

Just blah blah speech from May...

Nicky Morgan points out the inaccuracy of May’s claim that no one wants No Deal ‘there are people in this House who want No Deal’

NI staying in the CU and SM gets round the problems of breaking the GFA, and furthermore, it aligns more closely with what the voters of NI voted for. They voted Remain, don't forget. TM wouldn't forget this if she didn't need the DUP, which is entirely her own fault for not winning her unnecessary election.

How can May have "seen" some of the potential solutions to the border issues when they don't exist yet

@DPJHodges
One other thing. This statement has now been going on for 45 minutes. But by my reckoning not a single speaker from either side of the House has endorsed May’s position.

an emergency GE and - for Brexit at least - a Labour govt, maybe in a temporary alliance with SNP and LibFems, that would sign a Withdrawal Agreement

I very much doubt whether the LibDems would sign a withdrawal agreement. They have been shafted once in Coalition, I can't see them going against something that is against everything they stand for. GE maybe, and a total reset. Forget 'the people have voted, they voted to leave'. Hammond's statement that no one voted to be poorer is still correct.

LibFems

What a typo BigChoc - we can but dream ... but we all know they've drunk the Kool Aid.

I'm pretty sure Plaid Cymru will not accept it either.
They've got a bit of a cheek though. This often gets forgotten but Wales did vote to leave!

or maybe it wasn't a typo?

But they can't really be called any type of feminist - even in snark.

@faisalislam
THIS is a really important historic debate - PM trying hard in difficult circumstances but majority for any deal appears to be disappearing before her eyes - under the cosh from most shades of opinion for a variety of different reasons, with concerted effort from peoples vote MPs

May's losing her temper now.
Up to 6th request for People's Vote?

She's losing it.