Westministenders: The Slow Reveal

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The DUP are playing silly buggers.
The EU are getting nervous and turning down the pressure.
The ERG still want Schroedingers Brexit.
The Budget is coming. So is a government defeat or climb down.
The M26 is closing.

Keep thinking of the glorious freedom your blue passport will give up whilst you search waste tips.

How can the CEO of a large company importing from the UK be that ignorant? Is he for real?

Sorry, RTB, I'm not sure what you're refraining form commenting on; is it Hannan or George Trefgarne (whom I've never heard of )?

(Edit: I've now checked and find he calls himself a "pragmatic" Tory leaver and Telegraph columnist, so maybe cancel the blush)

I would dearly love to remain in the EU, but given the current state of affairs I'd hold my nose and swallow EEA/EFTA membership.

I seem to recall Hannan saying before the Referendum that no-one was talking about leaving the Single Market, although I've always seen him as a hard-core Brexiteer. Is he now reverting to what he said at the time (and has since kept quiet about)? Then I'm more than happy to hear that.

Trefgarne also appears to think we should stay in EFTA/EEA, so even though he's essentially a Tory Leaver, he doesn't appear to be a batshit Brexiteer.

As I say, I'm an ardent remainer, but willing to grasp at the EFTA/EEA lifeline right now. I'm also not really in favour of a further referendum or People's Vote (just wish Parliament would do their job properly, cough Labour cough) but will be marching again next week as a protest against Brexit.

Maybe you know more about all this and that's why you have nothing nice to say about them or their apparent U-turn.

Or am I that thick that I've grasped the wrong end of the stick? Wouldn't be the first time!

How can the CEO of a large company importing from the UK be that ignorant? Is he for real?

Did anyone else see it? I’m starting to think I must have misheard or misunderstood him. No in a position to rewatch to check.

Not in a position. My typing has gone to pot and I’m employing commas in a weird way suddenly. I’m losing the plot...

Did anyone else see it? I’m starting to think I must have misheard or misunderstood him

I saw it. Yes he really is that ignorant. Either that or he has some other agenda but lord only knows what that could be.

I wonder how Next's new EU market will take to a no deal brexit. Can't think I'd want to order anything from them here in Sweden. Currently it'd arrive in a couple of days same as in the UK. Unlike non EU stuff that has to be cleared by customs and won't be released until the handling charge and fees are paid. It takes weeks and a whole load of stress. Nope won't be doing it and I bet I'm not the only one.

babooshka I'm not sure if EU goods spend more than a few seconds in Customs atm, just enough to formerly establish that the lorry or whatever is from the EU

However, the main problem is that - without a transition deal - the ports at the EU end will have to treat UK goods like those from any other 3rd country that doesn't have a dealwith them,
which could take days to check

This would have a knock-on effect in British ports, with lorries queued up waiting for capacity to be freed up in the EU
ports.

The emergency solution, would be emergency UK govt directives - under the Civil Contingencies Act - banning any lorries travelling to UK ports carrying exports,
i.e. the UK would send certified empty lorries over to France etc, where the Customs just have to glance in that they are empty,
then the lorries would be filled with food, meds and any other essentials for the UK.

Of course, this would totally bugger UK exporters
and would raise costs even for those businesses that only sell in Britain, if they have to import goods via lorries that have to be sent empty ot the continent

sent empty TO the continent

I suspect that Suddeutsche Zeitung is correct about a deal Mrs May and the EU. Downing Street's denials will be for domestic consumption.

I'm not sure if EU goods spend more than a few seconds in Customs atm, just enough to formerly establish that the lorry or whatever is from the EU

Thanks BigChoc sorry -getting rattled and not expressing myself very well. I’m meant what we currently import from other markets, as part of the EU trading block.

What I’m trying to get my head around is whether Lord Next is talking rubbish re imports or whether I’ve a fundamental misunderstanding of the process. Surely our deals with non EU countries cease to exist when we leave the EU so how will those imports from Bangladesh he was talking about work?

Is he talking about WTO rules?
Does he want a knighthood, really badly?

SingingBabooshkaBadly

Wolfson was big in the Leave campaign and is a strong Tory supporter and Tory peer.

Also seems a bit muddled, as only last month Next was warning that a no-deal Brexit could lead to disruption at UK ports and higher prices in its shops:

The biggest risk to the business, Wolfson said, was the likelihood of queues and delays at UK and EU ports, while a sharp fall in the value of the pound and increased tariffs also posed a threat.

And, oh look:

Next has set up new companies in Ireland and Germany as part of its planning.

amp.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/25/next-brexit-risks-sales-shares-no-deal

Did Marr question him on any of that?

I meant. Need to calm down!^

Just now in the Guardian

The UK Brexit secretary Dominic Raab is making a dash to Brussels for face-to-face talks with the EU’s chief negotiator, days ahead of a “moment of truth” EU leaders’ summit^

You know that meeting Downing St denied was happening well ....

Did Marr question him on any of that?

Missed a little of the interview but pretty sure he didn’t. Well done again BBC.

MyBrexitUnicorn

Thanks - at least I know I’m not hallucinating...

MrsR8. Just closed mine too! Don’t even like their stuff

Unfortunately MIL gave me a £40 gift card for Next - but I suppose the money is already spent so I'd better not let them get the money back by letting it lapse.

I'll have to make sure to spend as little as possible over £40 - and preferably do so in the Sales so as to miminise their profit

Dh saw that bit of Marr I was still enjoying MNing in bed in my Sunday morning lie in : his comment was what did we expect? And that Marr is just an obsequious interviewer now and never challenges his guests

It's a shame as he was once a relatively decent political commentator.

Hastenstein, Big Choc had my point on the money. Plus why didn't we just do that in the first fucking place like Johnson, Farage and Gove all prattle Don about and then forgot during the ref.

You're right, babooshka that trade deals with non-EU countries would automatically end if there is no WA

BUT

even with a WA, the deals might not be rolled over during transtion.
My post upthread quoted the govt's own notice on this

Basically, countries may wish to negotiate better terms for themselves with the UK than they did with the economic superpower that is the EU

The Indie revealed that so far NO non-EU countries have formally agreed to rollover their trade deals.
A few have hinted they would, e.g. Africa after May's dance & bung, but nothing signed.
Although the Uk cannot sign deals to run before we Brexit, we can sign something with an implementation date after Brexit. So far, no other country has agreed.

without a WA, the UK will probably be FORBIDDEN to roll over ANY of the EU's trade deals with other countries

The Vienna Convention on Succession of States in respect of Treaties

requires that all the parties in the original treaty agree to roll over the provisions

So, the EU would be one of the parties that would need to consent

If the UK leaves the EU without a Withdrawal Agreement – a "no deal" Brexit – it is most unlikely that the EU would give its consent to the UK's continued participation in EU external trade deals.

The EU would be pissed off and the RoI in particular would veto

The UK would have to negotiate new treaties from scratch."

< Now chant again "they need us more than we need them" 🤦🏻‍♀️ >

Brexit, the truck driver and 20 tonnes of frozen chicken

Very interesting report from the coalface, not airy-fairy theory
A tough, complicated journey with tight timing even today.

This truck driver from NI voted Leave, because he didn't like the EU limits on driving hours and he had read about the damaged lorries at Calais
but he didn't understand the effects it would have on transport businesses; delays and significant costs

Now, with more knowledge, he wouldn't vote Leave

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/brexit-the-truck-driver-and-20-tonnes-of-frozen-chicken-1.3660279

To truly understand Brexit, haul €60,000 worth of food from Northern Ireland to England via Dublin

How can the CEO of a large company importing from the UK be that ignorant?

Might explain the state of British industry

Rebellious Scots kicking off again ....

thenational.scot/news/16982196.nicola-sturgeon-calls-out-davidson-and-mundell-over-threat-to-resign/

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/general-election/veteran-labour-mep-ready-to-back-indyref2-over-no-deal-brexit-1-4814739