Westministenders: Gin O'Clock

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After disaster after Salzberg and a very predictable humilation over the Chequers Deal which the ERG reject, moderate Brexiteers reject, Remainers reject and the EU reject....

May does a press conference...

...which is delayed by a power shortage inside No. 10.

And....

My small business, which was just starting to get somewhere, will now collapse due to Brexit. I had a message this morning cancelling an order worth £2,000, which is a lot of money to me, due to Brexit. I don't expect to see any more orders, now that the transition period is probably not happening.
It's our only source of income. At least we have a home. I can imagine a lot of people on the streets this time next year.
I would happily dance on the graves of the people engineering this. They are already millionaires, but that's not enough for them, and all the rest of us have to pay for it.
Would happily see Eton razed to the ground too. A factory for self-entitlement and ambition.

Thomasinaa

Sorry to hear that Thomasina. What do you do?
I feel cheated, of the list of 40 rules at that Huddersfield school I actually 'complied' with almost all of them simply because of the way I was brought up, although it was mostly by observation rather than being 'told'.
The 'silent corridors' idea is interesting too.
A lot of this boils down to simple respect for others.
Although this isn't the 'winge about Mr Macron' thread it is Mrs May insulting the EU by bringing up the Chequers paper which was universally junked 2 months ago.

Sorry, an extra 'a' for Thomasinaa.

I'm so sorry, Thomasinaa
How devastating for you all, ruined by the batshit

There must be many other small businesses like you, who cannot cope with the suddenly changed trading environment
I have already posted how 2 small niche online shops I have used went broke, which they both said was because of Brexit

Large and Medium (>500 employees) generally have the reserves and the infrastructure to cope - but maybe not those of them who stuck their heads in the sand and refused to plan until too late.

My US-based (and citizen) DB called last night, we had a bit of a natter. He's working on a startup with someone he studied under over there - very very high tech stuff (he used to work for the NCSA). As a result he's had a lot of contact with a firm of attorneys. One of whom noted that current events make perfect sense if the UK government is keen to avoid being sued when (his words - not "if", "when") Brexit hits the buffers.

He just asked what secret promises have been made behind the scenes that ministers are very keen to have appeared to have attempted to keep ? So maybe "the Chequers" plan has already been sold as "the solution" - even though it's unworkable. As long as May insists on pushing it, she's safe from any comebacks ?

Remember, not only has a lot of information been withheld for "commercial reasons". It's also possible in UK law to have a secret contract whose existence itself cannot be discussed.

I feel slightly less baffled now.

imo, nothing so organised
From Day 1, May was only interested in avoiding a Tory party civil war
She never had a plan - sticking to delusions isn't a plan

The fury and tears are because she realises that - if she stays in office for a no deal-
she risks going down in history as the PM who drove the country, the economy and the Tory Party over a cliff

That is panic we see in May, in the Tory Party and some of its more knowledgeable supporters
Hence the furious outbursts from them

Choice:
Either
Humiliating U-turn to WA with framework for EEA / EFTA ... that will destroy her and unleash Tory civil war
Or
No deal Brexit, which will be applauded by her party ... unless & until the crash

In each case, she would be the intended scapegoat.

Agree, BigChoc.

I worry that it would appear May didn't realise she was definitely presenting No Deal until Salzburg. That's terrifying. How could she not know.

Shaky, belligerent, obstinate tone of her address to the nation (!) was May knowing that she was spinning No Deal.

That was the presentation of No Deal. All talk of more negotiation, attitudes hardening, blah blah - that was spin.

What's amazing is that the desire for denial of reality is so strong, people are licking it up.

Thomasina - Awful. I join you in your rage. I, too, am now very, very angry.

I think I'd like to burn Johnson's house down before Erin, though. 😁

Don't know if Tim Stanley's tweet from yesterday was posted her. Interesting?

More I think about it, the more I'm unimpressed by the #TheresaMay speech. Irritated, actually.

1. Almost anyone can give a tough speech. It's 101 in political communication, and doing it with flags in No 10 guarantees theatre regardless of the content.

1. She says EU has not given its reasons for rejecting Chequers. It has. Countless times. Yes, there were insults on Thursday but the context is months of the EU saying "we can't do this."

1. She's not prepared for "no deal". You can't stand there and level a threat you can't back up. THERE IS NO ECONOMIC PLAN FOR NO DEAL. That's madness and deeply irresponsible.‏

1. She keeps telling us what Brexit means, and it just happens to correspond with what she wants or can get through parliament. Whoever said no customs border in Irish Sea? Who ruled out Norway? Who said a FTA was unacceptable?

1. On that theme, please stop pretending Chequers was the will of the people. It wasn't run past us at the last election. It was rammed through Cabinet - borderline unconstitutionally in my view - and two prominent Leavers resigned over it.

1. Finally, I hate it when politicians become all "me, me, me." I don't care that she was insulted; she should've stood up for herself then. I now don't care about the court politics of No 10 & the battle to reassert her authority. I want government motored by ideas, not

personal narrative. Save the "Queen May" rubbish for anyone interested, although that lonely boat sailed quite a while ago. I'd swap it all for some coherence, no-deal planning, willingness to consider Norway and looking beyond surviving another week.

I suppose we could have had BoJo naked doing a balloon dance instead.
Lying to the UK in front of all the heads of the EU who KNOW the story inside out and broadcasting it to the planet, some of whom may be interested is such a silly move.

LeClerc that mental imagery

Thomasinaa. I’m so sorry to hear this. It’s all such a complete pile of crap being dumped from an almighty height on a lot of innocent people.

A little help, please. I have dipped into the Macron thread and apparently you are a childless shill if you do not know what "on the touchline" means. Does this phrase have a secret Mumsnet meaning?

I have no idea

And I've been on MN since 2001 (and with this name since 2003 or 2004?), my ds has just started at Aberdeen Uni and I've posted regularly about bfing, schooling and Scotland, so my shilling would have had to be ultra-sophisticated and long term Plus I have made many RL MN friends and been to many MN meetups, so they know I'm a real person even if I'm a baaaaad parent who gave ds re filled fruit shoots and left him unattended in petrol stations

shiny well this is a harsh way to discover I'm a childless shill. Anyone know how I can make my apparently imaginary children be quiet for a few minutes?

Thanks Red. Macron's words.
One line got lost in translation: 'making a lot of money'.

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Mrsr8. Thank you for giving us something to smile at on this grim day. Reminds me of when I spent a weekend in La Rochelle wearing a carefully selected ensemble of trench coat and scarf tied artfully round my neck in what I imagined to be an effortlessly stylish and charmingly French look. I thought I looked fabulous until the photos revealed a rather dumpy looking middle-aged woman in a flasher Mac - apparently with no neck!

A touchline is a sporting thing right? So to be 'on the touchline' is to stand around the edge of the playing field? I don't know how that fits into the context of the Macron thread or what it is supposed to mean in this set of circumstances ...

I am childless - but I'm not shilling for anyone. But if someone would like to pay me to post on MN, I certainly wouldn't say no.

Putin - Pm me

Thomasinaa

Please write to your local paper, and MP or better still go see them, shout about what this shit has done to you. And March on the 20th October, I'm marching.

Not quite as OT as it may seem but did anyone catch the subversive BBC2 documentary on how archaeology is revising our prejudices knowledge of "the dark ages" ?

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bkvw8v/king-arthurs-britain-the-truth-unearthed

TL;DR is that Britain has always been more connected to continental Europe than separated (one of the experts makes an interesting comment that we need to think seas and rivers, not fields and roads) with irritatingly irrefutable evidence from archaeology, artefacts and genetics. And the myth of plucky Brits fending of invading Saxons is ... a load of bollocks just that - a myth.

Seems a tad subversive, given what some people think.

(The less diverse genetic areas of England are interesting ...).

More BBC subversiveness ..

www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/b0bk1vb4

This weeks news quiz, where it is a delight to hear Andrew Maxwell correct the term "Irish border" and point out that for quite a lot of people it's actually the British border ... I think you'll find the Irish border is the beach

If Brexiteers had the attention span and vocabulary, this is where they'll find enough to froth over for an entire UKIP leadership - or even two days, if they take a break.

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