Westministenders: Gin O'Clock

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After disaster after Salzberg and a very predictable humilation over the Chequers Deal which the ERG reject, moderate Brexiteers reject, Remainers reject and the EU reject....

May does a press conference...

...which is delayed by a power shortage inside No. 10.

And....

DesertCactus your my favourite

I've made sloe gin. Should be ready around New Year. Or late March

@Hazard and Desert
I hope your'e not going to get giggly and dance around your handbags, this is a serious thread going on here.

KenDodd No, there are no UN penalty clauses for breaking the GFA
but the UK's reputation would be damaged.

The UK has for decades now been required by the UN Human Rights Committee to give an annual report of how it is treating the minority community in NI.
The post-Brexit report won't go well

Most importantly, the EU would probably not start negotiating any trade deal - possibly not any side deal either - until the UK U-turns and signs the backstop.
RoI would probably veto any trade deal anyway, but it would have support from most countries

In the USA, the powerful Irish American lobby there could block any trade deal in Congress
Trump won't risk losing even a few votes to defend the UK - during the 1990s IRA bombing campaign in London, he attended at least one IRA / Sinn Fein fund-raising dinner in New York with Gerry Adams.
Total opportunist.

Other countries with strong Irish communities and / or sympathy for the underdog would also be indignant

As if rule of law was still a 'thing'.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/21/triggering-article-50-reversed-european-court-justice-brexit-bad-dream

bellini I have fond memories of sloe gin

• my late dad used to make it when I was a little girl and I "helped" by picking sloes and packing bottles with berries. We had huge bottles & tubes happily bubbling away in the loft.

From the age of 4-5, I used to have a thimble-sized glass after Sunday lunch (or od =f wsweet sherry when the gin ran out) - that's 1960 for you !

Funnily enough, I've never been a drinker or tipsy in my life, even at uni, at most just a glass every week or two

LeClerc

A) already lost my handbag B) today is an unusual day C) I've insisted on calling a bot poster on another thread 'endearing' and 'hurt person hurts people' so think it's time to put the brandy down.

A few people on my "I know I'm annoying" thread have contacted already or are going to contact their local MP. Take that labour party who keeps ignoring me.

Judicial oversight is a key feature of the rule of law.

I'm not sure what your point is woman11017.

Le Figaro:

http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2018/09/21/01003-20180921ARTFIG00248-brexit-comment-macron-a-convaincu-l-ue-de-mettre-la-pression-sur-may.php

[translation]
"Was May surprised by the change of stance by her european counterparts?
Yes, a diplomat present at Salzbourg confirmed.

The british political world lives in a bubble for two years now, they only talk to themselves.
Even if there are sometimes divergencies, they have not understood that the Europeans remain unified on the subject of Brexit."

Can anyone suggest an historical parallel to the position the government is in at the moment ? Especially with the fascinating possibility that it will have to argue two opposing views simultaneously ... one in a court, and the other to the people ?

1933. Germany. DGR or 1990 Yugoslavia.

No, DG It's all like a script rejected from "Yes, Prime Minister" for being too complicated and silly

I'd rather Jim Hacker than May
because we'd really have Sir Humphrey plotting to get us through

Judges Scotland @JudgesScotland

Andy Wightman MSP and others v Secretary of State for Exiting the EU: Appeal allowed; Court of Session refers question of whether article 50 notification can unilaterally be revoked to the Court of Justice of the EU

Can anyone suggest an historical parallel to the position the government is in at the moment ?

Sorry, I meant in the UK, or going back, England ? Does the Lloyd-George budget spat come close ?

UK Prime Minister
“Throughout this process, I have treated the EU with nothing but respect...."

This is so untrue. Off the top of my head here's some disrespectful highlights.. feel free to add more:

1. In the Article 50 letter itself she stated :

"If, however, we leave the European Union without an agreement, the default position is that we would have to trade on World Trade Organisation terms. In security terms, a failure to reach agreement would mean our cooperation in the fight against crime and terrorism would be weakened,” If that isn't a shabby threat to withhold security cooperation I don't know what is. Not a tactic worthy of respect.

2.In December 2017 DD the minister then in charge expressly said the agreement just concluded with the EU was “a statement of intent more than anything else” and implied it wasn't agreed until everything's agreed. This meant EU officials had then to tighten wording as Davis heavily implied we could renege on it. This was the last-minute deal secured by TM at that point. Not a tactic worthy of respect.
3 In an informal dinner around April 2017 she stirred up fury by abruptly saying the U.K. would not honour its exit payments. Not a tactic worthy of respect.

1. On numerous occasions in 2016 and 2017 EU residents living here were used as bargaining chips. Not a tactic worthy of respect.

Well, UK manmufacturing looks screwed

Comres survey for EEF, The Manufacturers’ Organisation:

http://www.comresglobal.com/polls/eef-manufacturing-sector-brexit-survey/

"One in six (16%) manufacturing business decision makers in the UK say that business would become untenable for them
if the UK reverted to WTO tariffs, increased border checks on people and increased border checks on goods.

Half (55%) say that business would become more difficult for them in the situation above

With 6 months to go until Britain leaves the EU, four in five (83%) say that they are currently not prepared for a no-deal Brexit.
Two in five (43%) say they are not prepared and will not be preparing" < domestic market only, or head in the sand ? >

Sorry, I meant in the UK, or going back, England ? Does the Lloyd-George budget spat come close
I'm pretty old but don't go back to 1911.
That was when there was separation of powers.
Memories.
To answer your question, how about:
1642 or 1968. NI.

Boris is very quiet. Too quiet.

Tusk Statement

Conciliatory, but firm:

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/09/21/statement-by-president-donald-tusk-on-the-brexit-negotiations/

The UK stance presented just before and during the Salzburg meeting was surprisingly tough and in fact uncompromising.

The response of the EU27 leaders was to reiterate our trust in chief negotiator Michel Barnier

and to reiterate our position on the integrity of the Single Market and the Irish backstop.

No Boris isn't a fucking muppet. His political adversary has hit the self destruct button. What does he need to say? He just needs to let her get on with it.

Tory party conference is next week... Plenty of opportunities to speak then.

May is getting the respect she has earnt.

Boris is very quiet. Too quiet

As Red says he’s busy writing his speech for conference.

Surely they must know that the Tories will be wiped out for a generation after no-deal.

This won't happen - look out for the rabid right wing press to go into overdrive to discredit all opposition parties and especially get even nastier with Corbyn. And the faithful, as we see when Leavers come on threads will rally round. When we e.g lose the NHS it won't be the Tories fault, it will be everyone else's fault.

Who was May's speech pitched at? Was for the domestic market, to rally the Leavers who are beginning to wonder about lack of medication and food, while pretending that it's all OK?

Well I'm not sure any Tories have come out and spoken wholeheartedly and unreservedly in support of May's position, have they? I thought Brokenshire wasn't that convincing.
She seems very isolated at the moment. I wonder what Philip will say to her over the weekend...

Sadly Corbyn writes his own negative press just by pretending all the shit he got up to didn't happen. Hey ho.