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Westministenders: Gin O'Clock

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RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 14:08

After disaster after Salzberg and a very predictable humilation over the Chequers Deal which the ERG reject, moderate Brexiteers reject, Remainers reject and the EU reject....

May does a press conference...

...which is delayed by a power shortage inside No. 10.

And....

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woman11017 · 23/09/2018 07:58

@paulwaugh
On 2nd Brexit ref, Corbyn: "If conference makes a decision I will not walk away from it".
But, and it's a big but, he knows #Labconf18 won't make such a decision - cos Sunday's compositing meeting will avoid any move to make PeoplesVote firm party policy.

woman11017 · 23/09/2018 08:02

@Haggis_UK
Andrew Gwynne - My own view is we had a referendum & if you're not prepared to accept the answer you get then you don't put the question... we want a proper #PeoplesVote a general election.

Femi normally smiles so wide in his photos, I see now why he looked so grief stricken in the one with Gardiner yesterday.

Yes, math the implicatations for the 3m, and 1.5m in EU are horrendous. And us all, of course.

ClashCityRocker · 23/09/2018 08:45

I'd take a second referendum. To be honest at this stage I'd take anything.

I'm not sure if remain would win. I'd hope so, of course, but it's far from a foregone conclusion.

Mrsr8 · 23/09/2018 08:50

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Peregrina · 23/09/2018 08:59

You would also need very strict rules on election advertising.

Don't only think of the lies on the Red bus and the lies that Davis and Fox have told. Think also of yesterday's Tabloids. May made a complete and utter mess of the Salzburg meeting and her impromtu statement, but you would not believe it from Saturday's papers. It was painted as the biggest triumph of all time.

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woman11017 · 23/09/2018 09:09

But it would need to be a decent majority.
By January the leave demographic will be in the minority. ( but then so were those pesky nazis in 1933, and it was the last German election until after the war Wink)

Javid.

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Peregrina · 23/09/2018 09:18

Well we have seen how the Home Office behaved over the Windrush Generation - a leopard doesn't change its spots.

RedToothBrush · 23/09/2018 09:30

Jim Pickard @pickardje
this is genius political dissembling from Corbyn, because as things stand members at conference won’t get a binary choice on a second referendum, they’ll get a heavily fudged Brexit composite motion
fascinating how many people took this at face value

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RedToothBrush · 23/09/2018 09:35

Paul Goodman @paulgoodmanch
On @ConHome, @trussliz greets the Labour Conference with a volley: as it opens, she warns that voters should think long and hard about the damage that @jeremycorbyn would wreak on jobs, wages and tax

David Allen Green @davidallen
I do wish the government and its supporters would be as concerned about the damage the current approach Brexit will cause.

That is something they have direct control over.

Its not about Brexit anymore...

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Peregrina · 23/09/2018 09:40

They tried the anti-Corbyn propaganda at the last election, and it didn't work. Whether it was because Corbyn was actually quite good at the hustings or simple electoral purdah meant that the media had to put a sock in it or other factors it is hard to say. Other factors I was thinking of were those head teachers who got together to publicise just how the cuts were affecting their schools. They didn't tell people how to vote as I recall, but people put two and two together.

woman11017 · 23/09/2018 09:44

It was never about brexit. Labour's not committing to repeal the Repel bill as far as I can see. We'll have to wear bonnets and worship the leader on LeaderDay.

RedToothBrush · 23/09/2018 09:46

Schools ABC @ schoolsabc
In April the DfE finally agreed to stop the collection of country of birth & nationality data for pupils.
Now we demand they delete any data already requested
#HostileEnvironment

It’s time to delete this data, to stop sharing confidential pupil information and to repeal the law which allows these questions to be asked in the first place
#HostileEnvironment

We want the DfE to complete the work “to protect BAME and migrant children and families across the country”, not just by getting rid of the nationality & country of birth data already collected, but by stopping all sharing of pupil address & other data with the Home Office.

All children & their families should feel that schools are safe havens, places for inclusive education not outposts of hostile immigration control.
#HostileEnvironment

If the secretary of state cannot or will not ensure this, we will ask the Information Commissioner to intervene for these children.
#HostileEnvironment

More than 20 human rights and privacy campaign groups have signed a letter to Damian Hinds, the education secretary, urging him to destroy the information collected under changes to the school census, introduced in 2016.

The Department for Education faces being reported to the Information Commissioner if it does not agree to delete data collected on pupils’ nationality and country of birth over the past two years.
#HostileEnvironment

I believe there are national security exceptions to the data protection act. They might yet be used.

Also the data was shared with the Home Office. If the DfE are forced to delete their copy is the Home Office also obliged to do the same?

My feeling is one involving a horse and a stable door

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MyBrexitUnicornDied · 23/09/2018 09:49

On @ConHome, @trussliz greets the Labour Conference with a volley: as it opens, she warns that voters should think long and hard about the damage that @jeremycorbyn would wreak on jobs, wages and tax

I think Corbyn would probably be bad for the economy but I am 100% certain Brexit will be very damaging.

If I was given the choice of 5 years of a Corbyn government or a forever Brexit I’m voting Labour. I doubt I’ll get this choice though.

RedToothBrush · 23/09/2018 09:52

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/brexit-secretary-dominic-raab-blocks-anti-brexit-campaigners-on-twitter-1-5707100
‘Snowflake’ minister Raab blocks anti-Brexit groups on Twitter after this photograph emerges

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RedToothBrush · 23/09/2018 09:55

I think Corbyn would probably be bad for the economy but I am 100% certain Brexit will be very damaging.

If I was given the choice of 5 years of a Corbyn government or a forever Brexit I’m voting Labour. I doubt I’ll get this choice though.

My point is that Brexit isn't the thing driving many in the Conservative Party any more. They are more afraid of Corbyn than Brexit.

This also shows the power the opposition has - but isn't using.

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woman11017 · 23/09/2018 09:56

HO and Dfe policy of recording black students is from 1920s Germany.
It's what gave my brainy scientist granny in law the impetus to get the hell out.

RedToothBrush · 23/09/2018 10:00

Bill Browder @billbrowder
BREAKING: Bosses at UK’s NCA ordered most senior money laundering investigator in the country NOT to investigate $30m of Russian money laundering in UK banks from Magnitsky case. This reeks of a full scale cover-up

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/22/national-crime-agency-ordered-stop-investigating-russian-money/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Russian money laundering investigation was ordered to stop, says former head of corruption unit

Plot line for the next series of The Bodyguard anyone??

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RedToothBrush · 23/09/2018 10:01

Beth Rigby @ bethrigby
Watson pointedly says that a 2nd ref is a “binary issue” and Labour should be able to come to a fixed view on the matter. This said as leadership tussles over wording of any motion in order to avoid exactly that. #ridge

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PCPlumsTruncheon · 23/09/2018 10:12

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/tim-walker-nigel-farage-last-orders-gina-miller-pursuit-jacob-rees-mogg-1-5704086

Nige gets banned from his local boozer as he’s bad for business.
I’m watching the Marr show and they are talking about a piece in the Torygraph about DD cosying up to Farage after his rally in Bolton.

RedToothBrush · 23/09/2018 10:27

Norman Smith @ bbcnormans
Dominic Raab appears to be playing down possible pivot by Mrs May to a Canada style trade deal -at least for now.........

Political pics @ politicalpics
Raab just said it's a bump in the road! The man is as damaged as May. Emergency meeting this morning I'm hearing CCHQ or No10?

Norman Smith @ bbcnormans
We are not going to flit from plan to plan - @DominicRaab

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RedToothBrush · 23/09/2018 10:27

Let's see where we are come Tuesday

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DGRossetti · 23/09/2018 10:31

What has Raab got to do with the EU negotiations anyway ? Weren't we told his job was to organise the domestic response to whatever Ms. May comes home with ?

I'm waiting for Brexit to go like the railways with the excuse "no one was in charge".

Wish I could be paid hundreds of thousands of pounds to be able to go "not me guv" when the balloon goes up.

But then this is the New World Order isn't it. Ultimately, no one has to carry the can for anything ? Difficult to identify when it happened .... but the "fogetting" of VAT on the Olympic Bid is a good starter for 10.

borntobequiet · 23/09/2018 10:36

A forever Brexit, just like Narnia - always winter but never Christmas. May is no witch (really) and Corbyn no Aslan (wrong species/deity) but I know which I prefer.

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