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Westministenders: Conference Season

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2018 10:44

Party Conference Season has officially started. What happens could be utterly crucial for Brexit since Brexit isn't about the EU its about internal party divisions and the politics of personality.

Starting off in the Yellow Corner
The Lib Dems proposals for associate membership and a leader outside the HoC. We know that they support exit from Brexit but what is striking is the shake up of the party seems to be the only thing drawing attention and there is a distinct lack of talk of anything else - including Brexit. Yet there are hints of a tiny shift back to the LDs as Labour and the Conservatives implode despite the LDs having lost all direction. If they can find one then maybe they can throw spanners into the works further down the line.

Moving over to the Red Corner in Liverpool
The Labour Party strife and squabbling gets to be airred in full view in Liverpool; the ongoing anti-semitism row which seems to have no end in sight, the rising issues over women's rights, various Labour MPs being no confidenced in an attempt to deselect them and Brexit policy or more correctly lack of Brexit policy. Thornberry has stated that Labour will vote against any deal May puts forward seemingly in order to trigger another GE. This has been denied as being official policy, but she's a front bencher who hasn't been slapped down for disobedience by Corbyn. There are lots of rumours flying around about the party leadership being under pressure to change direction on Brexit so her comments might be push back against that. Word is that various trade unions and perhaps even Momentum are looking to push for another referendum and a much more pro-remain or explicit EEA policy.

And then there's the Blues...
Where to start with them??

Talk has changed from not whether there will be a leadership challenge to open and widespread discussion from moderate party loyals about when there will be one.

Its been said that a challenge isn't expected at conference nor straight after; the feeling is May will be left to sort out the withdrawal backstop agreement in October at least before being rudely dumped. But don't count on it. Especially in the party of backstabbers.

There's been lots of movement around Johnson too. Former close advisors say he's on self destruct but will still probably be PM. There's the break up of his marriage. There's the complete failure of his time in the foreign office where its hard to see what he actually did apart from upset people. There's his outrageous comments which seem in the style of Steve Bannon. There's talk of him suddenly apparently showing Brexit regret. For me there is one question, which seems very similar to Brexit itself: Boris Johnson has spent so much time and effort into the game of becoming PM, what thought has he given to what he actually does when he has achieved it? Its almost as if there is no plan for that...

Then theres the ERG, with their alternative Brexit White Paper which includes the magic Irish 'Not a Border but Looks Just Like a Border' Solution. Its supported by just about every Tory MP you'd put in a horror cabinet of heartless cold out of touch bastards, who would drive 20 miles out of their way rather than pass through a council estate. But even their stance seems to be softening; talk of aligning NI closely with EU - particularly with agrifoods seems to be moving away from a position compatible with a US trade deal.

And finally the original Tory Rebels, who like everyone else are firmly sticking their fingers up at May's Chequers Deal. Several have said they would support a People's Vote if May doesn't get her head out of her arse and admit the idea is a dead duck.

Look out for more 'non-Tory' style policy plans coming out over the next couple of weeks, like the talk of renationalising the railways.

So what does this mean for Brexit?
Well nothing and everything.

None of this changes the EU position. None of this changes the realities of the negogition process and the 29th March deadline.

It just is in some ways the final party show downs before decisions start HAVING to be made. Party fractures are going to be tested to their limits and the chances of it getting nasty, with the stakes being so high, are high.

I wouldn't like to call ANYTHING unless the conclusion of the conferences.

Its something we don't need as a country. Waiting for this lot to get their shit together has doomed the country.

The Recession is coming. It can not be stopped now. Regardless of what happens over Brexit. Its too late. We can only mitigate the scale of it.

This is the part just before the 2008 crash when people were saying what was about to happen, but everyone ignored. The accepted narrative now is that 'no one could have predicted the crash'. Except they could and they did. Its just that no one wanted to listen.

This is the part just before Iraq where thousands protested and were not listened to, because a politician had it in his head that it was the best option, but he had no real plan for what happened next.

This is the part when people said PFI was a spectactularly bad idea. But it kept being used over and over and over again by all political parties because it was politically easier in the short term.

Enjoy this Christmas.

Next year is going to be a rough old ride for a lot of people.

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2018 20:32

Brexit is about Spitfires. And we are getting one:

Department for international trade @tradegovuk
@LiamFox and the @GREATBritain campaign are delighted to be supporting Boultbee’s restoration of one of 🇬🇧's iconic Spitfires.
Once restored the plane will embark on an around the world flight in summer 2019 #ExportingisGREAT

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borntobequiet · 15/09/2018 20:52

These people are fucking nuts.

Hazardswan · 15/09/2018 21:27

Has the option of sectioning brexiters been mentioned? Quite clearly a danger to themselves and others complete with delusional beliefs?

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 15/09/2018 21:43

Blimey - disappear for a couple of days and we're already on a new thread. Thanks red

Will slink back to the other one to catch up

frumpety · 15/09/2018 21:56

Place marking

Thomasinaa · 15/09/2018 22:47

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Jason118 · 15/09/2018 22:52

Will the spitfire have to be shipped to the continent before it can take off?SmileSmile

thecatfromjapan · 15/09/2018 22:57

💐

thecatfromjapan · 15/09/2018 23:01

Bit of cheer: Sadiq Khan has thrown his weight behind the call for a People's Vote.

BestIsWest · 15/09/2018 23:03

Steadily working my way through the Gin stockpile.

colouringinpro · 15/09/2018 23:04

Amazing OP Red.

colouringinpro · 15/09/2018 23:05

Just wondered if any regulars here were planning to go on the People's Vote March?

Jason118 · 15/09/2018 23:09

Yes, I'm going.

thecatfromjapan · 15/09/2018 23:15

Me.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/09/2018 23:18

I'm really hoping that the govt is much better at emergency plans than it has been at negotiations

The EU has been a net food exporter since about 2010,
whereas the UK
.... um, well < gulp > and Jay Rayner reports it's getting worse just when we really need it to get better

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2018/sep/15/food-and-brexit-will-the-cupboard-be-bare-jay-rayner

... halted investment, shifted production, uncertainty.
It indicates a shrinking of the food economy is under way.
It also means Britain’s food production is going to stall and even go into reverse at the exact moment it needs to go up.

Only 49% of the food we consume in this country is now produced here.
Another 30% comes directly from the EU. That’s 10,000 shipping containers a day.
Another 11% of the food we consume arrives under EU deals with third countries outside the EU;

70% of the cropland required to grow our food is located abroad.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/09/2018 23:21

“A food system engineered on a three-to-five-day ‘just in time’ logistics and delivery system has the potential to break down in less than a week,”

missmoon · 15/09/2018 23:22

I’m going!

woman11017 · 15/09/2018 23:30

“A food system engineered on a three-to-five-day ‘just in time’ logistics and delivery system has the potential to break down in less than a week,”
April 5th 2019 looks bad. School holidays start then.

Hazardswan · 15/09/2018 23:39

I would love to go but the logistics of making it there and leaving DP for the day is unlikely. To every one going Wine

If there's any fundraising links to help pay for travel costs for people on benefits or low incomes please post, happily throw in a tenner if it means someone else gets to go.

Mrslifecrisis · 16/09/2018 00:32

I’m going with my 3 DC, DB, DSis and her DH and 3 DC. DD and my niece are already working on placard ideas.

Icantreachthepretzels · 16/09/2018 00:45

I'm going - as is my mum. It'll be our fourth in London. My sister is joining us this time. I hope it's even bigger than the last one which even half an hour before the march I was told was not going to be very big.

HesterThrale · 16/09/2018 06:35

Poll shows nearly half of voters are so fed up with the two main parties, they'd vote for a new one.

I hope those leaders can see this poll, and understand how sick to the back teeth and angry we are with their ridiculous shenanigans.

Asked to imagine that a new centre-ground party formed tomorrow, two in five voters (42%) said that they would be likely to vote for it in a future general election.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/15/almost-half-of-voters-say-they-would-vote-for-new-party-in-election

borntobequiet · 16/09/2018 07:02

I’m going, with my daughter, son, two nephews and nephew’s GF. Wondering if my brother will come as well - if he does it will be the very first march in his life.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 16/09/2018 07:40

Thanks for the new thread Red. Still badly behind due to DH’s care needs and other family goings-on. Seem since I’ve had to step back a bit from all this things have escalated. Doing my best to catch-up and it’s looking like the picture is even bleaker than I’d been anticipating.

Like Hazardswan I’d love to go on the march but I’m not sure I’ll manage to leave DH for the day. I’ll may try to get MIL and step FIL down for a couple of days so I try to go.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 16/09/2018 07:41

So I can try to go. Too early for typing!