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Westministenders: Conference Season

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2018 10:44

Party Conference Season has officially started. What happens could be utterly crucial for Brexit since Brexit isn't about the EU its about internal party divisions and the politics of personality.

Starting off in the Yellow Corner
The Lib Dems proposals for associate membership and a leader outside the HoC. We know that they support exit from Brexit but what is striking is the shake up of the party seems to be the only thing drawing attention and there is a distinct lack of talk of anything else - including Brexit. Yet there are hints of a tiny shift back to the LDs as Labour and the Conservatives implode despite the LDs having lost all direction. If they can find one then maybe they can throw spanners into the works further down the line.

Moving over to the Red Corner in Liverpool
The Labour Party strife and squabbling gets to be airred in full view in Liverpool; the ongoing anti-semitism row which seems to have no end in sight, the rising issues over women's rights, various Labour MPs being no confidenced in an attempt to deselect them and Brexit policy or more correctly lack of Brexit policy. Thornberry has stated that Labour will vote against any deal May puts forward seemingly in order to trigger another GE. This has been denied as being official policy, but she's a front bencher who hasn't been slapped down for disobedience by Corbyn. There are lots of rumours flying around about the party leadership being under pressure to change direction on Brexit so her comments might be push back against that. Word is that various trade unions and perhaps even Momentum are looking to push for another referendum and a much more pro-remain or explicit EEA policy.

And then there's the Blues...
Where to start with them??

Talk has changed from not whether there will be a leadership challenge to open and widespread discussion from moderate party loyals about when there will be one.

Its been said that a challenge isn't expected at conference nor straight after; the feeling is May will be left to sort out the withdrawal backstop agreement in October at least before being rudely dumped. But don't count on it. Especially in the party of backstabbers.

There's been lots of movement around Johnson too. Former close advisors say he's on self destruct but will still probably be PM. There's the break up of his marriage. There's the complete failure of his time in the foreign office where its hard to see what he actually did apart from upset people. There's his outrageous comments which seem in the style of Steve Bannon. There's talk of him suddenly apparently showing Brexit regret. For me there is one question, which seems very similar to Brexit itself: Boris Johnson has spent so much time and effort into the game of becoming PM, what thought has he given to what he actually does when he has achieved it? Its almost as if there is no plan for that...

Then theres the ERG, with their alternative Brexit White Paper which includes the magic Irish 'Not a Border but Looks Just Like a Border' Solution. Its supported by just about every Tory MP you'd put in a horror cabinet of heartless cold out of touch bastards, who would drive 20 miles out of their way rather than pass through a council estate. But even their stance seems to be softening; talk of aligning NI closely with EU - particularly with agrifoods seems to be moving away from a position compatible with a US trade deal.

And finally the original Tory Rebels, who like everyone else are firmly sticking their fingers up at May's Chequers Deal. Several have said they would support a People's Vote if May doesn't get her head out of her arse and admit the idea is a dead duck.

Look out for more 'non-Tory' style policy plans coming out over the next couple of weeks, like the talk of renationalising the railways.

So what does this mean for Brexit?
Well nothing and everything.

None of this changes the EU position. None of this changes the realities of the negogition process and the 29th March deadline.

It just is in some ways the final party show downs before decisions start HAVING to be made. Party fractures are going to be tested to their limits and the chances of it getting nasty, with the stakes being so high, are high.

I wouldn't like to call ANYTHING unless the conclusion of the conferences.

Its something we don't need as a country. Waiting for this lot to get their shit together has doomed the country.

The Recession is coming. It can not be stopped now. Regardless of what happens over Brexit. Its too late. We can only mitigate the scale of it.

This is the part just before the 2008 crash when people were saying what was about to happen, but everyone ignored. The accepted narrative now is that 'no one could have predicted the crash'. Except they could and they did. Its just that no one wanted to listen.

This is the part just before Iraq where thousands protested and were not listened to, because a politician had it in his head that it was the best option, but he had no real plan for what happened next.

This is the part when people said PFI was a spectactularly bad idea. But it kept being used over and over and over again by all political parties because it was politically easier in the short term.

Enjoy this Christmas.

Next year is going to be a rough old ride for a lot of people.

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Hasenstein · 16/09/2018 15:37

cat

"I'd be interested in a meet-up thread nearer the time (of the march). It's possible I'll be on my own. 🙂"

Having confidently said earlier today that I'll be going to the march with DW, she's just fallen over (playing bloody tennis) and broken her right ankle and wrist, so it looks as though I'll be going on my own, too. Would be nice to meet someone else to stave off loneliness.

Poor old thing is totally incapacitated - can't use a crutch because of the wrist - so I'm on Emergency Ward 10 duties for the foreseeable. The last march was hard enough without /wheelchair/crutches, so I can't see her making it to the upcoming one! Ah well, shit happens, I suppose.

Motheroffourdragons · 16/09/2018 15:48

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/09/2018 16:04

So sorry to hear about your DW's accident, Hasenstein
A damn awkward combinstion of injuries
Best wishes to her that all bones mend quickly Thanks

Hazardswan · 16/09/2018 16:12

mother Brew no need to be sorry, literally cried this morning about it and not for the first time!

hasen eek! Happy mending to your DW!

SusanWalker · 16/09/2018 16:22

I'm reading a book on the anglo saxons at the moment. In the intro it says that anglo saxon would evolve into the current global language of english. For some reason I really liked the 'current'.

I think the Labour leadership have no interest in stopping brexit at all. They just want to be in charge next March when the shit hits the fan to prevent the Tories unleashing Singapore on Sea and so they can push through all of their agenda while most people are too busy worrying about medicine and food. They hope that voting down the deal will lead to a general election. They also want brexit to happen whilst looking like they have opposed it.

Flowers for your wife Hasenstein. I wish I could go on the march but we are going on holiday to devon that week, starting on the twentieth. And I'm not sure whether DS would cope in a big crowd with his autism. He's never been to London.

DGRossetti · 16/09/2018 16:41

I'm reading a book on the anglo saxons at the moment. In the intro it says that anglo saxon would evolve into the current global language of english. For some reason I really liked the 'current'

Did anyone catch this story about someone being refused service because they couldn't speak Spanish, in America ?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45535948

A Spanish-speaking Taco Bell employee in the US was fired after video emerged of her refusing to serve an English-speaking woman in Florida.

(contd)

(A few things don't add up, but I'm surprised the Trumpster hasn't stopped wanking to tweet about this Hmm - he's rarely worried about veracity.)

missclimpson · 16/09/2018 16:52

My sympathies Hasenstein. Am currently also in plaster from toes to thigh with a broken ankle. It is dire and I can't imagine a wrist as well. We were packing to go on holiday. 😨

colouringinpro · 16/09/2018 17:01

Ouch Sad

I'm going, possibly on my own too...

lonelyplanetmum · 16/09/2018 17:22

I'm interested in a meet-up at the March too.

My previous neighbour who is the sweetest, kindest lovely person (and also a very worried NHS consultant) has already asked if she can come too.

HermioneGoesBackHome · 16/09/2018 17:42

Place mat king

BigChocFrenzy · 16/09/2018 17:43

Oh, poor you as well, MissClimpson Thanks
Did you have to cancel / postpone your vacation ?

< btw, are you a Dorothy Sayers fan ? >

bellinisurge · 16/09/2018 17:48

@missclimpson - cool user name.
DLS is great.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 16/09/2018 18:01

Today I have realised finally, I think, that it is game over. The situation in parliament with the labour party has made me realise that there is nothing left for us to do.

mother I feel very much like this. I think, deep down, I’ve always believed something would happen to drag us back from the brink. Now that seems unlikely. I feel so, so sad. I had a little cry too hazardswan, also like you, not for the first time, but somehow today it felt different.

I went for a walk and thought about how people referred to the summer of 1914 as the last summer. It was the most glorious summer in living memory. I couldn’t help thinking about the glorious summer we’ve just had and whether this will be our version of the last summer.

cat, Hasenstein, colouring, lonelyplanet and any other solo marchers - if I’m able to go I will be alone too. Would certainly appreciate a meet-up plan!

missclimpson · 16/09/2018 18:11

Yes we did Big Choc. No swimming in the Med this year for us. I am indeed a DLS fan and may yet have to binge watch Lord Peter.
On the plus side I am enjoying the French medical system with daily visits from nurse and a plethora of free mobility devices. Our French neighbours have been fantastic as have my friends and pupils from the U3A where I teach English. I love our community here.

pointythings · 16/09/2018 18:35

I love DLS! Have read all the books, seen some of the tv adaptations. The 1980s adaptation with Edward Petherbridge is the best.

Woodfinn · 16/09/2018 18:47

Depressing piece on World at One today. Reporting from Mansfield in Nottinghamshire, men on the street saying they still supported Leave to get rid of immigrants and re-open the pits and industry.

bellinisurge · 16/09/2018 18:48

Audio books with Iain Carmichael as Lord Peter - excellent escapism. Often on IPlayer radio too. Escapism is the way forward.

Peregrina · 16/09/2018 18:49

It seems likely that it's all over and Johnson, Farage, Rees-Mogg and Co get their own way. But - life has a way of taking its own course so it's hard to predict what will happen. I don't think that the above will come out unscathed reputation wise.

Peregrina · 16/09/2018 18:52

Reporting from Mansfield in Nottinghamshire, men on the street saying they still supported Leave to get rid of immigrants and re-open the pits and industry.

Which is just not going to happen. Any coal mined anywhere is likely to be opencast. Getting rid of immigrants - who exactly are going to replace the EU health care workers? It won't be the redundant miners. It's sad though that their needs were not addressed and even sadder that they are blaming the wrong organisation.

missclimpson · 16/09/2018 18:53

I have both lots on DVD! One of the things I love best about Mumsnet is that I can discuss DLS, the Chalet School and Veronica at the Wells in the same week. I have even joined the Middlemarch reading group. 😀
BTW have also spent a lot of time explaining the ramifications of Brexit to doctors and nurses. They are all 😮. We know the English (sic) have always been on the outside, but why would you do this to your country?

bellinisurge · 16/09/2018 19:03

@Woodfinn - that is truly ghastly. I was a grown up during the Miners' Strike. There is no hope of starting up the mines again. Open cast maybe- if they could get past the pesky planning permission.

1tisILeClerc · 16/09/2018 19:11

I may be wrong but I believe most of the 'decent' coal in the UK has already been extracted and what remains would take a massive investment to get out, even if we wanted it. Poland had better grade coal, easier to extract and cheaper workforce I believe.
As a result massive new investment for coal that is virtually phased out just isn't going to happen.
Investment it infrastructure and industry has been in decline since the Victorians did their things.
The whole world needs to get to grips with the fact that mechanisation and automation is making huge quantities of semi and lower skilled jobs unnecessary or at lease not sufficiently rewarding in a financial sense, sufficient to have a reasonable lifestyle.

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borntobequiet · 16/09/2018 19:39

Well I continue to think something massive will happen that will change the game...but what, when, good or bad have no idea...

Mrsr8 · 16/09/2018 19:40

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