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Westminstenders: Operation Yellowhammer 1q

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2018 11:11

Boris Johnson is clearing the decks for a leadership challenge.

I guess that means that the Brexit we get all depends on what George, Michael and Boris decide over lunch and how good Operation Yellowhammer is.

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2018 21:07

Waits for 'Sunderland' moment...

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Mrsr8 · 09/09/2018 21:07

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HesterThrale · 09/09/2018 21:20

This petition has suddenly woken up and got going again. Maybe because it's going to be debated in Parliament tomorrow. I expect it'll just be a 'we voted and we're going to do it' discussion, sadly. No recognition of the illegal shenanigans.

Rescind Art.50 if Vote Leave has broken Electoral Laws regarding 2016 referendum

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/223729

Hasenstein · 09/09/2018 21:28

Hester

The change.org/Independent petition has also speeded up again, up to 788K now. It's strange how it seems to slow down for a while, then suddenly put on a spurt. It's happened a couple of times now.

woman11017 · 09/09/2018 21:29

Sunderland in 2016 or when they changed back to Remain a few months later? Smile

Carl Bildt tweets: "Most probably suggests that SD despite clear success did not become the Big bang that many had thought/feared" www.expressen.se/nyheter/val-2018/valet-2018-folj-valet-2018-med-expressen/

The moderates are moving towards becoming Sweden's second largest party – when over 4000 districts are numbered • Clearly better than in Valu, says Henrik Oscarsson in SVT www.expressen.se/nyheter/val-2018/valet-2018-folj-valet-2018-med-expressen/

As I understand it, the Greens vote is really important, it they lose seats, the left alliance is finished for the moment. They've got nutter lefty anti EU party too. Sad

SchrodingersRat · 09/09/2018 21:29

Do they have transparent record on tax paid too?

Yep - I used to get e-mails selling the 'taxation calendar' for my county in Sweden. You can look up people's taxable income. Imagine that in the UK...

HesterThrale · 09/09/2018 21:40

Hasenstein Yes, I think sometimes events influence the rate of signing. Yesterday I noticed that after the Women's Equality Party endorsed the Final Say campaign, there was an acceleration in names. And they were mostly women.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/final-say-womens-equality-party-sophie-walker-peoples-vote-second-referendum-a8528296.html

woman11017 · 09/09/2018 21:44

Thank you ShrodingersRat. I doubt all this would have happened if we had the same.

woman11017 · 09/09/2018 21:55

Well.

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SchrodingersRat · 09/09/2018 21:59

90% of the votes counted now, 144-142 to the red-green coalition that currently is in government.

woman11017 · 09/09/2018 22:03
Smile
woman11017 · 09/09/2018 22:05

France, Germany, Netherlands and Sweden. Smile

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2018 22:16

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woman11017 · 09/09/2018 22:21

@ChrChristensen
And a reminder not to shift the entire window of policy discussion to be dominated by the concerns of the roughly 20% of the population in most Western European countries who have always had a coherently far right worldview

It's been daft.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2018 22:24

Worst case contingency: civil disorder could start from early January
(I hadn't expected a significant risk before mid-March)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/09/sajid-javid-refuses-to-rule-out-disorder-in-case-of-no-deal-brexit

Sajid Javid has refused to rule out the possibility that a no-deal Brexit could cause a sharp rise in crime and widespread protests escalating into weeks of civil disorder, saying it was important that police prepare for any such eventualities.

Contingency plans for a no-deal departure drawn up by the National Police Coordination Centre say shortages of medicine could “feed civil disorder”,

while more general price rises could prompt “widespread protest which could then escalate into disorder”.

The document, leaked to the Sunday Times, cautions that
there could an increase in crime, notably theft and robbery, amid shortages of food and drugs, as well as the “expectation that more people will become ill”.

It says the primary concern would be a shortage of food, medicines and other goods leading to “civil disorder leading to widespread unrest”.

This could last for up to three months either side of the departure date next March, the report says,
raising the “real possibility” that soldiers would have to be deployed on the streets, even with police leave postponed.

Motheroffourdragons · 09/09/2018 22:27

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woman11017 · 09/09/2018 22:41

And from the reporting on the BBC and Sky you'd think the, the nazis had won. Sad The Guardian's reporting was abysmal.

What is it they say about cultivating mushrooms?

But it's great news mother. Smile

1tisILeClerc · 09/09/2018 22:45

Why is it that all this stuff has to be 'leaked'. It makes it sound like the government is incontinent. (don't bother!)
I will just leave this SECRET document on the table while I nip out for a coffee, make sure nobody photographs it.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2018 22:47

Looking at the risk of the far right within Europe, only the UK has any significant risk of essential shortages and economic meltdown

  • which is what in the past, in other countries, has enabled extremism to grow from being a minority into dominance

Will a no deal Brexit lead to a higher than 20% turning to the far right
and maybe a similar % to the far left ?

Better hope for a deal and that contingency plans - needed after any deal except Norway+ - are adequate.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2018 22:52

woman The stories were already written before the results
So they decided to stick to their original story,
going for speed - so they are not behind their rivals - plus a juicy story

Maybe later tomorrow, we'll see the analysis that the fascists came 3rd, instead of becoming the largest party - as was being talked up before the actual vote.
An analysis of why they did much worse than expected

Hazardswan · 09/09/2018 22:54

To state the obvious this is bad. I've prepped for DP's med shortages from March not January.

Just????

What are sick people and carers suppose to do? Suffer quietly?

woman11017 · 09/09/2018 23:02

Worst case contingency: civil disorder could start from early January
What are sick people and carers suppose to do? Suffer quietly
Absolutely fucking horrific. Flowers Hasardswan It is absolutely intolerable that they do this to us. If there is anything I could do I let me know.

True bigchoc about logistics of reporting, but it's a weird mixture of ignorance and straight misinformation. The Guardian is particularly worrying but post Snowden and the GCHQ destruction of its computers, it's become very odd.

This is a good thread on the US/UK reporting.
@JeremyCliffe
Are anti-establishment parties (some, but by no means all, on the right) generally rising in Europe? Yes. Should the establishment react? Yes. Yet the underperformance of the Sweden Democrats relative to US/UK media hysteria is part of a depressingly familiar pattern.

twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/1038899589103984642

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2018 23:36

Most Brexit leaks now are because senior civil servants & poliće are seriously worried about what might happen.

They can't say so publically, because they are not allowed - could be sacked, possibly even prosecuted under Official Secrets Act

Some leaks - with much less info - are from politicians; some worrried, others just playing politics to further their careers

mathanxiety · 10/09/2018 07:05

Placematking///

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2018 07:55

Problems in Jan are better than problems in March. Simply from point of view of it being politically more difficult for government to ignore.

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