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Only 1 rule.
No c&p posts a mile long, they’re just boring & no one reads them.
Keep it short, sweet, & to the point.

Peace & Love ❤️🇬🇧❤️

The EU is not blackmailing anyone.

Keeping an open border between NI and the Republic is enshrined in EU law, and is in the interests of an EU member state.

Describing it as blackmail is hyperbolic dishonesty.

& yes, I accept things will get said on here that anger some people, I never said this thread was purely lighthearted, how can any thread where you’ve got leavers & remainers stay light hearted?

But we can be polite to each other.
Ie; You don’t walk into a pub & deliberately call Samantha - Sue.
My only rule was post size.
This is not the Westminster threads where you’ve got endless c&p posts that go on forever. I work, I haven’t got all day to read mumsnet.
This is ‘bite size’ brexit - easily digestable for the busy working mum ( & dad )

I don't mind if any mnetter on this thread wants to misspell my name...could go for hatassduck or hangrycoot.

I’m a Tory but if Brexit fails that failure will lay with this govt, not the eu. But then the suspicion persists that Westminster don’t want a Brexit and so have done their collective best to ‘throw the game’.

And whose fault is it that there is not a very pro-Brexit PM? Leave had two candidates - Gove didn't get anywhere, Leasdom got to the last two and then spouted unkind and silly nonsense about Theresa May not being a mother and spoilt her own chances. And the favourite, who would have been a dead cert to win? Johnson was off playing cricket which was more important to him. So don't blame the present leadership Leavers, blame your own side for not getting their act together.

Brexit was never the easy path but I do believe it is the right path.
Easiest deals in history was said, I seem to recall. All sorted in an afternoon.

"But then the suspicion persists that Westminster don’t want a Brexit and so have done their collective best to ‘throw the game’."

Ah, this is a get out clause for the Brexiteer.

"We were thwarted I tell you, the MPs didn't do as we said"

The problem is that all the evidence prior to the ref said that what the Leave campaign were saying was utter twaddle, you chose to believe it.

More fool you.

Afternoon all.
We have been receiving reports that there is a bit of brawling going on in this here pub and it's upsetting the customers. We have made several deletions, and would advise that the miscreants take it outside.

Or stop. They could stop. That would be better, actually.

Enjoy your drinks. Don't eat peanuts from the bowl, you might catch something.

Did sums

Or Diddums!

Topcat

You mean more fool me and the millions of leave voters?

Despite the vitriol that on this thread, leave wasn’t just my ‘fault’

Funny how no one has engaged with my point that I can see that remain was a valid option, but collectively you refuse to accept that leave was too. National self determination is a given - if leaving the eu is ‘impossible’ then it ceases to be a mere trading bloc and becomes a cartel.

Can we have the jukebox back on yet or do we have to wait until after tea?
I think you have to be very 'posh', or landed gentry to have anything alcoholic with tiffin.
Is advocat really as horrible as Jasper Carrot made out?

Of course remain is a valid option. IF the government had put a 'task force' together and researched the many and varied issues that need unravelling (750 or so major documents) and possibly discussed with the EU a way of negotiating the NI and Gibraltar borders, perhaps 10 years worth of work, THEN it would be relatively easy, like Mr Fox stated a while back but somehow is having a spot of difficulty.
ALTERNATIVELY Mr Cameron could have investigated what the general public were really wanting, decent NHS, control of immigration and the various other points and then done something about it, which were ALL under his (party) control as we are a sovereign nation we would have been in a much better and wealthier place.
Choosing to spout bollocks and then run away is not the proper way to run a country.

Leclerc

Still cant quite say it can you.

It is surely the height of arrogance to assume your position is the correct one and ONLY one, despite MILLIONS of people disagreeing with you

Because Brexit may be hard is not sufficient to write it off.

time4chocolate I don't think you can do strike through on i thingies easily any more - it seems to keep joining the two hyphens into an em dash so it doesn't work. Unless there is a predictive text thing somewhere that can be turned off?

You have a fantastical idea of what it means to be independent. We are already independent. You don't agree. 17 million people agreed with you. 16 million people didn't. The rest? God knows.
The practical consequence is that we are Leaving the EU. And one or two people think that's not a good idea.
They are talking to each other and you are joining in and disagreeing. And they are disagreeing directly with you.
Last time I checked it was ok to do this.

Buteo - thank you, that’s exactly what’s happening. I won’t waste any more time on it (I could just type ‘strikethrough’ at the beginning and end of the word/sentence but i don’t think it would be quite the same)

It is surely the height of arrogance to assume your position is the correct one and ONLY one, despite MILLIONS of people disagreeing with you

Right back atcha, 10. That's what happens when the country is split right down the middle. Compromise was required right at the start, but the opportunity was lost. Now you're modelling what you accuse everyone else of doing, but you seem oblivious to it.

10Shills - just because a lot of people agree with you doesn't make you correct.

C.f. the world being flat, the sun orbiting the earth, the plague being caused by cats, etc. etc...

@10degrees
I have presented 2 simplified scenarios where leaving would be perfectly possible.
The 750 documents are long and legally binding so you can't just get the office junior to photocopy and sign them, it will take lawyers years to do this.
Maybe you would indulge the 'house' and define EXACTLY what YOUR interpretation of Leave meant. You see the original vote was far too vague to implement and there had been insufficient research as to what was really wanted.
Maybe if you are so clever you could give Mrs May a call and tell her how you would make Brexit successful. I am sure she would love to know, and she might even offer you her job.

1tis - I know you don't really expect one, but you won't get a reply from 10Shills. It's stage one of the Shill handbook (I think someone actually linked to the real thing in one the the Westminsters threads, passim).
You never answer a direct question. You merely keep changing the focus as your entire raison d'etre (pardon my French) is to annoy, and disrupt any flow of argument.

It worked very during the referendum itself, but people have actually started to become wise to it now.

Lucky for you it was that way on that day. On another day, such a tiny majority could easily swing the other way - that's why you don't want to give anyone the chance to have a say on the implementation of the idea, right?

You have built a house of cards (well, more a shack at the moment), and all the triumphant chest-beating in the world doesn't change that.

@Cardinal
And you think I give a damn what you think?
If I were a dictator I would be telling you what you have to do or think.
I usually put forward a suggestion that you may wish to think about or do your own research.
So, with that in mind you could discuss whether you think either of my 'proposed' ways of leaving have (or now had) merit.
Stamping your feet and spouting soundbites impresses no one.

1tis - I think it's only after many years of research and planning that leaving the EU would have been a practical idea. And I still think it would be a mistake in the current world situation.

By the way, you seem to have forgotten to be LIGHT HEARTED and NORMAL...