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Would remain is accept another vote if it had gone the other way

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Childrenofthestones · 03/09/2018 09:56

Just a quick question to remainers.

Would you still be clamoring for another vote had you won and it had gone your way with the same sort of margin.

If brexiteers were asking for another vote would you agree to it.

No lying now....honest answers please

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Childrenofthestones · 03/09/2018 09:57

Sorry should be remainers not "remain is" in the title.😊

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Rosstac · 03/09/2018 09:59

No of course they wouldn’t

MongerTruffle · 03/09/2018 10:03

If brexiteers were asking for another vote would you agree to it
Yes. If we voted to remain, nothing would stop the UK from leaving at a later date, when the government had a clear and coherent plan. Leaving the EU is irreversible without agreeing to membership of the Eurozone, Schengen Area and hundreds of other agreements (although I support those, the majority of the country doesn't).

EthelThePiratesDaughter · 03/09/2018 10:09

Interesting question.

I would be tempted to say, "Sure, let's have another vote when you've actually come up with a plan!" (Safe in the knowledge that they never would.)

But of course, it's not the same situation reversed.

Remain is the status quo and leave is the unknown. It's totally reasonable to say that you should have a bigger margin to completely ditch the status quo in favour of the unknown, and it's even more reasonable to say that now we are two years down the line from the referendum and we still don't know what the fuck is happening (but we do know that none of the benefits which were promised by the leave campaign have materialised or are ever likely to) the people should be given a chance to say whether this is really what they want.

Bombardier25966 · 03/09/2018 10:09

The new vote is not a rerun of the original referendum. It is on the terms of leaving - negotiated terms, no deal but still leave, or remain. There would be no need for another vote if the vote had been remain as there would be no new terms to vote on.

If we were to remain and there was a substantive change that warranted a new referendum, I would have no issue with that.

DanielCraigsUnderpants · 03/09/2018 10:11

Honestly? If it had gone the other way, I would have felt really happy. If it had been challenged I would have been annoyed. No one likes it when things don't go their way. Some people voting brexit are very passionate about it and have campaigned for it for years. I wouldn't expect them to take the result lying down. And if it were a marginal vote, I wouldnt like the idea of going back to the polls on the off chance it went the other way. BUT what I like and the concept of upholding democracy and doing the right thing by my country are two different things.

Thing is neither side really voted for a realistic picture. We were all lied to. Both remainers and brexiteers . We should have had all of these debates BEFORE we went to vote and maybe that way, if we had all been adequately informed, both sides would feel happier with the "will of the people"

Bombardier25966 · 03/09/2018 10:12

when the government had a clear and coherent plan.

This is the important bit. No vote should ever happen without knowing what we are voting for. The referendum had zero terms of reference.

argumentativefeminist · 03/09/2018 10:14

What bombadier said. Still undecided myself whether I agree with a second referendum, but as far as I know, nobody is arguing that if we have one, it should just be a rerun of the first.

Cattenberg · 03/09/2018 10:15

If the result had been Remain, Remainers wouldn't have said that the UK now had to adopt the Euro, that this was what they all voted for and that anyone who said otherwise was trying to thwart democracy.

If the result had been Remain, I would have been happy with a further referendum on whether we adopt the Euro or not.

jasjas1973 · 03/09/2018 10:22

If remain had won, we could have had another vote on leaving at any time in the future if the EU didnt reform etc.
Leaving however is for decades as we can't rejoin on the terms we have now ie with opt outs, no euro & no schengen

When the Junior Doc's balloted to go on strike, they then had another ballot to decide if the deal offered was acceptable or not, they had the choice! what leavers who dont want a vote on the new deal is to remove that choice and you have to ask why if leaving is such a grand idea.

Having an additional ballot on the terms of the deal May negotiates is completely normal in any other walk of life, we can either accept, reject or stay in EU.

I would not like a re-run of the original referendum.

lonelyplanetmum · 03/09/2018 10:22

If Remain had won by a narrow margin in percentage terms and on an advisory referendum I would have thought we should maintain the status quo for now.

I would have been very, very concerned about electoral spending fraud, and deceits. Add Russian and US interference and money into the matrix ( Cambridge Analytica etc) and I would have thought the whole process was too unreliable to act upon.

I would have (despairingly ) concluded that the issue would need to be revisited.

1tisILeClerc · 03/09/2018 10:22

Had there been a clear plan, with properly worked out understandable financial projections, a way to ensure JIT manufacturing processes, a thoroughly discussed plan for the necessary borders NI/Ireland and Gibraltar/Spain then it would be worth considering.
Just reading how much China has invested in Africa, putting several countries into massive, almost unrepayable debt does not square up with Mrs May's paltry 'pocket money' £4 Billion. Africa MAY come good, but the UK will have to wait maybe 20 years for it to happen.
If you look at how the world has changed over the last 20 or 30 years, the UK is going backwards and 'backing the wrong horse'.

jasjas1973 · 03/09/2018 10:25

oh and had remain won, leave could have only asked for a re-run! what else could they have demanded?

Efferlunt · 03/09/2018 10:28

I don’t think I could ever accept something that I believe is so catastrophe for my country, it would be unpatriotic not to continue to use every democratic means available to oppose this level of Clusterfuckery.

I’d hope we could rejoin ten or so years down the line and would campaign to that end.

thenightsky · 03/09/2018 10:28

Farage made it clear he would be pushing for another vote if it went the other way.

Hoppinggreen · 03/09/2018 10:32

No, I wouldn’t want another vote if the result had been Remain, simply because those of us who voted Remain actually knew what we were voting for but nobody had any clue what “leave” would look like.
Now we do have some idea ( or not) what leaving will meanThe People should get to choose if that’s what they want vs staying in The EU
THAT result I would accept because even though I wouldn’t agree with it it would be a fact based informed decision ( hopefully)

PrimalLass · 03/09/2018 10:33

Why would I clamour for another vote when we would not be heading into the abyss?

AwdBovril · 03/09/2018 10:35

What Bombardier, 1tisILeClerc, etc said. We can get out fairly "easily", although at great potential damage to ourselves. Getting back in would be far more difficult.

1tisILeClerc · 03/09/2018 10:49

There is a time limit to 'getting back in' that you can't reapply for (not sure) about 20 years. We would also have to prove financial viability and there is a strong possibility that we would fail the 'entrance criteria'. We would also have to go in accepting all the rules with none of the vetos we currently enjoy, so that would be using the Euro and a whole host of other 'restrictions'.
If you are 'in' aberrations are 'allowed' but to start from scratch the entrance is far more difficult.
Planning to leave would take a lot of lawyers about 10 years to unpick the 750 or however many agreements we have with the EU. Yes the UK can leave, of course, but to 'flounce out' of such a technical situation will have massive consequences.
The EU is run by rules. They are easy to look up, in many languages. The UK government have deliberately ignored them and written some of their 'demands' to cause conflict and try to make out the EU as the 'bad guy'. The EU is calmly pointing to the rules and waiting for the UK to stop arsing about.

Branleuse · 03/09/2018 10:53

most people who vote a certain way, do not clamour to get the result overturned. That would be really silly wouldnt it. It would be easier to just vote the other way in the first place.

Saying that though, if they voted for something and then it turned out that the premis that they had voted on was a pack of lies and detrimental to the country and society as a whole, then yes, I imagine that most thinking people would have some regret and want to have a re-vote

1tisILeClerc · 03/09/2018 11:07

The UK is trading up from shopping at Waitrose to rummaging in the bins at the back of Tescos.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2018 11:30

The UK is trading up from shopping at Waitrose to rummaging in the bins at the back of Tescos.

In dollars.

(A couple of companies that I have done business with, professionally, have started charging in dollars, rather than sterling (they always offered a Euro option).)

Figmentofmyimagination · 03/09/2018 12:35

If the vote to remain in the EU had been based on a pack of lies, false promises (e.g. on the side of a bus), dodgy dealings with Russian gold mines, electoral illegality, a complete lack of any plan or rational way forward and the prospect of a substantial economic shock, then yes, I can see that there might well be a basis for a fresh vote.

Would you agree OP?

Branleuse · 03/09/2018 13:31

this is actually a really funny post if you overlook how stupid it is to imply that the only reason that remainers want to overturn the referendum is because they think ALL votes should be overturned, and not because actually this particular referendum was particularly harmful and reckless

1tisILeClerc · 03/09/2018 13:40

Setting your own house on fire is a strange way to protest about immigration.