Would remain is accept another vote if it had gone the other way

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Just a quick question to remainers.

Would you still be clamoring for another vote had you won and it had gone your way with the same sort of margin.

If brexiteers were asking for another vote would you agree to it.

No lying now....honest answers please

EthelThePiratesDaughter And what is so good about being an EU citizen ?

It's not a question of "putting the EU before your own nation".

EU citizenship and British citizenship are two complementary concepts which are perfectly capable of co-existing. You can have both. Being one doesn't take away from the other in any way.

And many of us believe that leaving the EU will make the UK weaker, not stronger. It is our view that if you seriously want to put the UK and British interests first, you would support remaining in the EU. Because remaining in the EU is in the UK's best interests, and leaving the EU will harm the UK.

No but then I'm not clamouring for another vote. I voted remain but the majority obviously voted leave so that's the way it's gone. It's not a democracy if you keep voting on something over and over until you get the result you want.

And what is so good about being an EU Citizen?

I'm part of a bigger European family. I can travel, live and work freely in 27 other countries. I did so in my early 20s (in a way that wouldn't have been possible if I had not been an EU citizen) and met my future husband.

Unfortunately, Brexit has now effectively forced me to choose the EU over the UK when previously I could have both. Because thanks to Brexit I could not expect my husband to live in the UK, and I felt the need to get out of the UK and move to his country before Brexit, and start the urgent process of gaining citizenship of his country.

Brexit has made me feel a whole lot less British.

It's not a democracy if you keep voting on something over and over until you get the result you want.

It's also not a democracy if you can't change your mind. As David Davis so eloquently said.

It's also not democracy if the result was obtained fraudulently by lies, manipulation and foreign interference.

I am in a similar position to Ethel, although we did get our preferred candidate elected at the last GE. But in the last Euro elections 2 out of the 10 MEPs are ones I know I voted for, and have been conscientious in representing us. Two more hold views which I also find acceptable. (Thankfully I was not stupid enough to vote for Farage, Hannan or Diane James.)

EthelThePiratesDaughter Only a small percentage of U.K. citizens live or work in the EU 1% or less ) and the majority retired people living in the sun,

It's not a democracy if you keep voting on something over and over until you get the result you want.

In which case, why do we keep having General Elections at least every 5 years? Why don't we stick to what was voted in in 1945? (Or 1832 or 1668 or whenever?)

We could go to having Government by Referenda, and there would be no reason not to keep asking the country, if decision x made in year x still was the representative opinion, or has public opinion changed. Otherwise you would get the absurd situation of e.g. saying 150 years ago your great, great, great, great grandparents voted for something which cannot now be changed.

EthelThePiratesDaughter How can democracy work if you keep voting on the same thing when you’ve not even carried out the original democratic vote
And anyway this will not effect you as you will be a citizen of another country

Peregrina At least the elected party has had 5 years before another vote,

Your argument apply to General Elections also Rosstac - the parties set out their Manifesto, implement some bits, quietly ditch others (e.g. Commitment to the single market, given Expatriates of more than 15 years the vote, both in the 2015 Tory Manifesto) and then try to slip other stuff in, (e.g. May's attempts to bring back grammar schools.) It doesn't stop them writing another manifesto at the next election, sometimes with the same commitments, sometimes not.

Only a small percentage of U.K. citizens live or work in the EU 1% or less ) and the majority retired people living in the sun

What's your point?

One day your children or grandchildren might want that right. Or they might have liked a job in an industry which will now pull out of the UK due to Brexit. There are any number of things we can do as EU citizens which become difficult or impossible after we leave the EU, and just because you personally don't know what those things are or want to take advantage of them doesn't mean they aren't important.

And when you think that we are giving those rights up for no real benefit in the end, it becomes even more absurd. Because that's the reality. There will be no economic benefits. No additional sovereignty. No more jobs for British people. No £350m a week for the NHS. No fucking point in any of it.

At least the elected party has had 5 years before another vote

So the 2017 Election didn't happen then? (I bet May now wishes to God she'd not called it, and still had a small but working majority.)
Somehow Leavers want Referenda, or the 2016 one to be different, and to be cast in stone for all time.

karyatide I thought this has been done to death, the majority of people that voted in the referendum voted to leave, that is a fact
It should have never gone to the public vote, but that’s another thing

Peregrina But that was her call, she didn’t have too, and yes I bet she wished she didn’t, you can’t trust them polls

And anyway this will not effect you as you will be a citizen of another country

It will affect me if my family and friends suffer needless economic hardship. It will affect me if the UK suffers long term economic decline to the point where we can never really contemplate moving back there. It will affect me if my dad can't get the drugs he needs to survive. It will certainly affect me if my professional qualifications are no longer recognised in the country where I live after Brexit. And it will affect me if I can't travel on my British passport even temporarily after Brexit.

How dare you say it won't affect me?

It will affect all of us. I wish there was some way of ensuring that only people who voted leave or didn't vote have to suffer the consequences, but sadly there isn't.

I was listening to an old episode of Dead Ringers which did a reverse of 2016. Remain won the referendum, Hillary became president, etc. The line went something like “And as the UK made a historic decision to remain in the EU, the rest of Europe promptly decided to leave.” So we may not have had a choice.

Seriously though, if I voted remain and Jean-Claude Junker ripped off his mask to reveal he was Hitler and about to set fire to the whole of Europe then of course I would want a do-over.

A slight majority expressed a preference to leave. How many would have done so if they had been told up front that they were unlikely to see any benefit for 50 years?

I would agree that it should never have gone to a public vote because it's far too complex an issue to be amenable to a yes/no answer.

Peregrina I don’t, we can have another vote in 5-10 years give it all chance to settle down( the EU wouldn’t want us back ) I just don’t like the way people are trying to change a democratic vote before it’s been carried out, we had the 6 months campaign before hand for each side to get its side over,
It just looks like spoilt kids, not getting their own way

Of course not.

It is not spoilt foot stamping to want to put the brakes on before we leave when, two years later, there is still no actual plan for leaving, and all the promises made by the leave campaign have been exposed as lies.

EthelThePiratesDaughter At this point in time it is all quess work how it will all turn out, experts contradicting each other on both sides, depends who you believe,

So Rosstac, if you bought something in a shop, which had been sold to you under false premises, would you just shrug or would you demand your money back because it wasn't fit for purpose? Yes, I am aware of Caveat Emptor. So of the people who did vote, there was a slight preference to Leave. But nothing on the ballot paper said, Hard Brexit or nothing. A key decision like leaving the EU is now being left to a Tory party who are more interested in fighting amongst themselves than trying to represent the best interests of the country. Some of those Tories will of course do very nicely financially out of crashing out of the EU. Theresa May I suspect won't be worry about getting her diabetes drugs, but thousands of others will.