Would remain is accept another vote if it had gone the other way

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Just a quick question to remainers.

Would you still be clamoring for another vote had you won and it had gone your way with the same sort of margin.

If brexiteers were asking for another vote would you agree to it.

No lying now....honest answers please

Poll not pool!

GMB Union just weighed in. A vote will happen.

A vote will happen.

If it does should we litter the pavement with glitter? It'll be all shiny and magical and y'know that might keep some people busy....

"Remain is the status quo and leave is the unknown."

Remain is NOT the status quo (well, only in the sense that things stay the same until they change).

If remain WAS the status quo, then the terms and conditions and the regulations of the EU would be exactly the same as when we voted to remain in 1975.

In 1975 we voted to remain in the EEC, which is a totally different concept to the EU.

So, if we had voted to remain in the EU in 2016, can you tell me exactly how the EU would be in say, 20 years time? And, if you can, can you give me the winning lottery numbers for Saturday please.

I'm afraid "the GMB weighed in" doesn't sound much of a game changer to me.

No vote should ever happen without knowing what we are voting for. The referendum had zero terms of reference.
This. And then combine with the fact some leave campaigns were found to have overspent in their campaign and there's outright lies on sides of busses, the leave campaign seemed to be a series of misinformation and no coherent position so people could hear what they liked and then vote for 'leave but my idea of leave may be different from yours'.
That's how we have people whining that a close trade agreement involving some movement of people is somehow a horror of democracy because in their head leave meant no pesky foreign people stealing our jobs and benefits.

If the result had been Remain, Remainers wouldn't have said that the UK now had to adopt the Euro, that this was what they all voted for and that anyone who said otherwise was trying to thwart democracy.
Or called judges the enemies of the people for daring to say 'hang on let's look at the critically'.
It's the sheer hysterical ramblings as if any criticism of anything linked to brexit is somehow denying the will of the people.

It isn't. It's holding parliament and the government to account becausr parliament is still sovereign in the UK (despite millions of leave claims they wanted Westminster to be sovereign again, it would seem what they actually meant was we want ou ideas pushing through without any challenge just because)

Laughing my head off at the idea that the EU should have remained exactly the same as it was in the 70s, or belonging to it is not "the status quo."

Have you noticed things like the Digital Revolution? Social Media? Privacy and data challenges to citizen's rights? Did the fall of the Berlin wall have any impact on you?

Of course the EU has had to evolve. The UK was a partner in that process, shaping framework legislation for the group while retaining lots of opt outs and veto powers. Whining that the grown ups didn't make the changes YOU wanted over the past 30 years doesn't mean the country was "betrayed," for heaven's sake.

Next, I expect to see a vote to ignore all modern history so we can go back to being a naval superpower again.

Next, I expect to see a vote to ignore all modern history so we can go back to being a naval superpower again.

Next ?

I think you'll find Brexiteers think we've already had that vote.

Of course the 'EU' has changed since 1975 it has evolved and UK MEPs and behind them the UK government have been important members steering that change. Some things we didn't want that were proposed by Brussels, we have vetos (we use the Pound for example).
To have voted 'Remain' or NOT to leave the EU would have been the status quo at that time, not 1975.
Has the UK repealed the law about having a man with a red flag walking in front of any mechanically propelled vehicle yet?

badbilly lol.

Maybe we should make sure the nhs is as it was in the 1950s, After all that's what people agreed to at the time.

Maybe we should make sure the nhs is as it was in the 1950s, After all that's what people agreed to at the time.

Oooooooooooohhhhh Matron !!!!!!!

It would have been nice to have been asked at anytime if we, the general public agreed with any of the changes that have been forced on us since 75

But it's plainly obvious that the general public doesn't know its arse from its elbow.

You have been asked and pretty frequently at that, given that we have a Parliamentary democracy and have had General Elections in 1974 (2), 1979, 1983, 1987, 1992, 1997, 2001, 2005, 2010, 2015 and 2017. I make that 12 opportunities to express an opinion.

The parties publish Manifestos. If you don't like what they put in their manifesto, you vote for another party. As I recall the Tory 2015 Manifesto pledged to support the Single Market. I wonder how many people voted for them on the strength of that?

And if I don’t like their polices I will vote them out, we have never been given a chance to vote on anything EU related directly, Governments come and go, but the EU just changes hands, not voted in by us

Did you not vote in the European Parliament elections then?

topcat1980 Of course that’s for a person, not a directive, and one person alone can do nothing

Of course that’s for a person, not a directive, and one person alone can do nothing

You...do realise that in general elections you vote for a person, right? And that you don't get to personally vote on any laws passed in the UK, right?

And boo hoo, our Government didn't have any MEPs or any representation whatever on EU bodies. We had to be rule takers. I would be upset on your behalf Rosstac if this were true, but it's not. We had a Government which quite often proposed EU legislation, and mostly voted for EU legislation. OK we had useless MEPs like Farage who couldn't be bothered to do the job he was elected for.

And no, we are not in Schengen and don't use the Euro, which I assume must be because we had some say in the matter, or was it because the other 27 said that they knew the UK was speshul?

I am looking forward to seeing your arguments when the UK crashes out by accident, and Westminster suddenly decides that it's going to put money into the NHS, housing, railways, education, all the day to day things which matter, but I am not holding my breath because I don't see the current Government being able to have such a personality transplant.

EthelThePiratesDaughter Yet again of course I do but you could be removing a party you don’t agree with, that’s not the same with the MEP is it

No actually, Rosstac.

Like most people, I vote in a safe seat. And to add insult to injury, I have the temerity to not vote Tory or Labour. (But even if I didn't, it wouldn't make any difference.)

So in practice, I can't vote anybody out.

What I could do, in the European Parliament elections, was vote for someone whose politics I agreed with, who would generally vote the way I would want them to in the European Parliament. So in some small way, my voice was being heard.

But now the Brexiters voted to take away my EU citizenship and right to vote in European Parliament elections, I no longer have the right to vote in any elections where my voice will be heard.

So... cheers for that.

Posters talking about remainers attitude atm being unpatriotic is just something I don't get. At all. Patriotism just doesn't come into for me.

EthelThePiratesDaughter you still are and will be a European citizen

No I won't.

Leaving the EU means we will no longer have EU citizenship.

EU citizenship is a thing. European citizenship isn't.

tobee Is it not be unpatriotic putting the EU before your own nation ?
Would your husband, partner cheer for Belgium when they were playing England ?