Would remain is accept another vote if it had gone the other way

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Just a quick question to remainers.

Would you still be clamoring for another vote had you won and it had gone your way with the same sort of margin.

If brexiteers were asking for another vote would you agree to it.

No lying now....honest answers please

I just don’t like the way people are trying to change a democratic vote before it’s been carried out, we had the 6 months campaign before hand for each side to get its side over,

Leaving aside the questions about legitimacy, and being advisory, no one is trying to overturn the vote. They are asking a new question: Are you satisfied with what Theresa May has negotiated (or David Davis failed to bother to negotiate when he was responsible.) Mind you, this then begs the question, if the answer is "no, we are not satisfied", what happens next?

" If they don’t want to a deal, why waste time negotiating, we would like a deal, if they don’t agree a deal, then they will have forced us to leave with no deal, that is true"

They do want a deal, so do we. But a deal has to be one which is mutually beneficial.

WE aren't offering that atm

If remaining meant throwing the uk into disarray and chaos, with no plans for how things would work etc of course.

But Remain is the status quo - it's more of and apples and pears situation. (And Who is going to pick all those apples and pears?).

@Rosstac the thing is this isn't a football match.

@Rosstac - it's not really a deal it's a "how the UK leaves the EU". The actual deal making will come after. If we don't go for some kind of Norway deal or similar, we become a third country. End of. To coin a phrase.

Not comparable. If we weren't leaving nobody would be losing anything. Nobody would lose their EU citizenship, risk losing their livelihood, their free movement or their right to stay here. It would just be the status quo.

It would be up to Brexiteers to campaign for a second vote if that is what they wanted and Farage made it clear he would do that if the result was close.

Also, the vote that People's Vote are calling for is not a re-run of the first vote, but a different thing.
Plus, Brexiteers DID call for a second vote, the first one was in the 70s remember.

The EU has 'club' rules. If you are in you can use all the gym equipment. If you want out, you can't 'pop back in' to use the sauna.
AKA 'no cherrypicking'.
Since the EU would prefer the UK to stay, they are being generous to consider some flexibility of the rules but on THEIR terms.
The UK said they want OUT, the EU says fine, out you go. The EU can quite reasonably simply slam the door behind the UK as it flounces out.
It will cause financial hardship in the EU, but they will recover as it is a big place and the UK leaving represents an opportunity for other EU countries to improve.

Slovakia, not the highest of GDP, is getting production of some of the LandRover line, to the detriment of the UK.
Without Single market and Customs union more will go, but this has been said so many times before.

I know what I would have done as it was a conversation I had just a couple of days before the vote.

My position was, and still is:

When the MPs voted to allow a referrendum it was supposed to be advisory only.

When the decision was taken to make it actually binding, any sensible politician would put in safeguards against a close tie at that point. Cameron didn't as he is an arrogant buffoon.

But a sensible attitude would be that any result less overwhelming than 65% in one direction or the other should be considered as insufficiently convincing either way and another referendum scheduled for 3 years time. In the mean time no additional regulations or closer ties to be accepted, and the government could consider that it has a mandate to maximise any wriggle room it has (which is considerable) within existing agreements. eg the UK already has the right to oblige EU citizens who fail to get a job in 6 months to return home, but hasn't bothered to enforce this.

Continue with referenda as many times as it takes for a 65% majority to agree - only THAT result is convincing enough to actually seal the fate of the country for generations.

So yes if it had been 52% remain and 48% leave I would support another referendum, despite being a remainer, as long as it was agreed that the trigger point for leaving would be a referendum result of 65% pro-leave.

I dont actually think many people who voted Leave would be as pissed off as people who voted Remain are tbh. I know a few people who voted Leave that did it as a protest vote against the government who were shocked when Leave actually won and wished they had voted Remain.

So if 1 vote is all we are allowed to have can someone explain why Robert Walpole isnt listed as our current PM.....fucking brexiters smh

I hate leaving but I also am afraid that if we have another vote we'll get a narrow Remain. This would be the worst outcome coz it would settle nothing.

I really only want another vote if we get an overwhelming Remain. At least 70%R. Which doesn't seem likely. Whole thing is a disaster.

2nd best outcome might be TMay resigning & let one of the asinine Brexiters become PM. The situation could properly implode in 3 months & A50 be revoked.

While I maven't thought all the details out I would have made the vote: In, Out or In with reform (of the EU within say 3 years).
Also setting thresholds for each circumstance.
There are issues with the EU and they have been a bit sluggish to really grasp these (principally immigration/FoM) but we see this issue is now high on the agenda. If we had hung on until now, things would look rather more rosy. Cameron had got most of what he had been to Brussels for but it was not accepted by the 'ultras'.

Oh and a sensible, workable plan for both the NI border and JIT manufacturing worked out BEFORE changing anything.

"I dont actually think many people who voted Leave would be as pissed off as people who voted Remain are tbh."

Of course, they wouldn't be losing anything.

" I know a few people who voted Leave that did it as a protest vote against the government who were shocked when Leave actually won and wished they had voted Remain."

Yep.

"I also am afraid that if we have another vote we'll get a narrow Remain. This would be the worst outcome coz it would settle nothing."

In a few years the demographics will make the Remain vote much bigger so as long as we get a narrow vote this time, it can be consolidated later on.

They should have provided a more rigorous framework for the first vote - outline requirements of a binding vote - minimum turnout and minimum majority to win. And then in a tight vote a time frame for future retest votes.

Leave campaigns not telling a mountain of lies would have helped a bit.
Remaining might have been a bit 'vanilla' but at lease we knew what we were getting and, being in the EU parliament we could influence future policy. The immigration issue, although not settled by any means is now firmly on the table across Europe. Had we hung in there for another 18 months or so, things could have been so different.

Regardless of margin I think had leave not win they would have still wanted another vote whether that be sooner or much later.

Personally as the result was such a massive change to our way off life it should have only been passed with a much bigger majority or a proportion of the voting nation, I think the minority was too small and not enough people voted (their fault I know) for such a massively important change.

If the EU was imploding, if the euro had tanked as we were told would happen maybe yes.
However it’s the U.K. imploding and the £ has tanked 🤔

As a remainer I do accept that the EU does have problems to resolve as it is not all rosy in the garden but it is being worked on. The EU encompasses around 550 Million people, there will be problems.
The USA, similar number of people, it has problems.
Only the UK which has no 'empire' could be so stupid as to flounce off, leaving a very beneficial relationship with a trading block representing about a quarter of the worlds monetary capital.
Controlling an empire of almost half the worlds population 120 years ago to being unable to even hold the 4 nations of the UK and NI together takes some spectacular mismanagement.
The EU tries to be as inclusive as possible, the UK is assigning itself to oblivion.