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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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Icantreachthepretzels · 08/09/2018 22:08

Loving the berets and flags.

I can live with Norway - I really can ... but why on earth didn't we just agree to that on June 24th 2016?

1tisILeClerc · 08/09/2018 22:10

Will we stay in CU and SM as well though?
Were the 'pep' talks that various ministers had with the likes of Nissan etc really a plan that they has to say they were leaving but that the government will pull out at the last minute and actually stay in?

Icantreachthepretzels · 08/09/2018 22:14

If we're keeping freedom of movement of people - which is what the brexiteers want to stop - what's the point of leaving the SM?
CU is trickier because of trade deals ... but we may ask to stay in it until such a time as we can afford not to be ... and then never leave.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2018 22:15

Osbourne has a vested interest in legency. Austery leading to leading the EU to leading to destitution isn't what he wants...

Why didn't they do it on 24th June 2016?

Cos they are fucking egomanics looking for a way out?

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Hazardswan · 08/09/2018 22:16

Any one have any brief pros and cons of remaining in the EEA? Obvs the freedom of movement and services is good, will we have a say over anything or be silent participants of it?

HesterThrale · 08/09/2018 22:16

Reasons to be cheerful:

  1. Petition is speeding up again.
www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-give-people-a-final-say-on-brexit-deal
  1. Loads of lovely flags and berets at the Proms!
  1. And Bombshell poll reveals massive union backing for new EU vote
Survey of Unite, Unison and GMB members by YouGov reveals 2-1 support for a second Brexit referendum

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/08/unions-poll-massive-backing-second-eu-brexit-referendum

Lots of interesting info in this article including that John McDonnell says this:
In an interview with the Observer before the poll findings were released, shadow chancellor John McDonnell said his preferred option was still for voters to be offered a say on the government’s handling of Brexit – and any deal brought back from Brussels by May – in a general election. But he said that if Labour was unable to force one in the coming months, he wanted to “keep all options open”, including supporting a new referendum.
McDonnell said he was sure there would be a full debate, and votes, on Brexit at the Labour conference. And he went out of his way to praise the People’s Vote campaign, which he said had been very “constructive” and had made clear that its attempts to influence Labour policy should not be seen “as an attack on Jeremy Corbyn or positioning around the leadership. It should be a constructive debate and that is right.”

Are Labour finally moving?

missmoon · 08/09/2018 22:21

will we have a say over anything or be silent participants of it?

Very little say, we would have to lobby EU countries to speak on our behalf. Norway are said to have the largest lobby operation in Brussels.

Hazardswan · 08/09/2018 22:27

Thanks miss ive green frantically googling and trying to learn Grin

Hazardswan · 08/09/2018 22:27

Been* (green??? Weird auto correct)

Icantreachthepretzels · 08/09/2018 22:34

Twitter proves ever depressing. A lot of cavemen brexiteers sneering that it is 'ironic' that people are singing Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory whilst waving EU flags. The liberal elite are all mixed up, apparently.

The idea that a person might love their country - and enjoy it's music - whilst also being proud of their European identity and wanting to show solidarity with our closest friends and neighbours - and stick two fingers up at our own govt - is just a wee bit too complex for them to handle.

Still - we mustn't call them thick.

(me - I no longer love this country (because of brexiteers) but I do love a good singalong ... but even that is probably too complex and idea for the troglodytes.)

So - I'm taking bets now - will there be a new season of the proms come July 19th 2019 ... or will we have descended into Mad Max dystopia by then?

HesterThrale · 08/09/2018 22:37

Results of that poll:

The poll found that members of Unite, the country’s biggest union, and Labour’s largest financial backer, now support a referendum on the final Brexit deal by 59% to 33% and support staying in the EU by 61% to 35%. GMB’s members support putting the issue back to the people by 56% to 33% and its members want the UK to stay in the EU by 55% to 37%.
Unison members back another referendum by 66% to 22% and would opt to stay in the EU by 61% to 35%.

Union members think standards of living will deteriorate as a result of Brexit by a margin of around four to one (Unite members by 55% to 11%, Unison members by 61% to 16%, and GMB members by 49% to 11%).

They also believe Brexit will worsen, not improve, job opportunities (Unite members by 57% to 16%, Unison members by 52% to 27%, and GMB members by 43% to 18%).

Despite claims that workers are overwhelmingly against immigration, members of all three unions want to prioritise trade over controlling immigration (Unison members by 68% to 22%, Unite members by 65% to 27%, and GMB members by 58% to 32%).

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/08/unions-poll-massive-backing-second-eu-brexit-referendum

Hazardswan · 08/09/2018 22:38

Link courtesy of the Norway ministry

The EEA Agreement

www.norway.no/en/missions/eu/areas-of-cooperation/the-eea-agreement/

(Scroll to the bottom for short overview of ten facts)

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2018 22:47

Tom Watson @tom_watson
Word reaches me Boris Johnson is to launch his bid to topple Theresa May. An Old Etonian who believes it's his destiny to be PM; his life story catalogues betrayal of friends and colleagues. He will never put country first and is therefore unfit to be PM.

Kevin Schofield@polhomeeditor
Blimey. Tom Watson says Boris Johnson’s leadership campaign could begin as early as Monday.

www.tom-watson.com/weekly_update_8_sept

Tomorrow I shall have hang over and a wish to return under a rock indefinitely if this is true.

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Hazardswan · 08/09/2018 22:53

Fuck....Shock

Literally off to have a brandy!

woman11017 · 08/09/2018 22:56

Even men don't seem that keen on him.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-booed-cricket-fans-13212154

Icantreachthepretzels · 08/09/2018 23:14

But he doesn't want to be the PM that ushers in the end of Britain as we know we it. He wants to be Churchill... if he's launching a leadership bid then I would expect a shameless about face on brexit to go with - or at least once he's safely in number 10.

woman11017 · 08/09/2018 23:19

Papers.

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Mrslifecrisis · 09/09/2018 01:17

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/nov/03/revenge-of-alan-partridge-brexit-britain-bbc

The juxtaposition of Alan and Fromage on their respective boats is quite freaky.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2018 01:38

Inside The Tory Brexiteer Plot To Topple Theresa May And Make Boris Johnson Prime Minister

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/inside-brexiteer-plot-to-topple-theresa-may?

Theresa May has survived some brutal moments in two years in Downing Street,
but none of those will compare to the ordeal a faction of her own Brexiteer Conservative MPs are planning to put her through.
...
Members of the European Research Group ...think they’ve got one last shot at killing off the Chequers plan
and replacing May with a prime minister who will, in their eyes, deliver a true Brexit.
Most want that to be Boris Johnson.

Emboldened by the uprising against Chequers among the Tory grassroots

  • and by opinion polls suggesting the wider public are also against it - ERG members told BuzzFeed News they’ve lined up more than the 48 MPs required to trigger a vote of no confidence in their leader and will move against her soon, unless she does a radical about-turn. ... < fortunately, though .... > "Brexiteer MPs are completely disorganised and not putting the work in,” one told BuzzFeed News, “but why break the habit of a lifetime? They are rats in a sack who all think they should be in charge.”
BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2018 01:54

pretzels The SM requres keeping EU standards, rules, inspection regime inside the UK, ECJ as final arbiter

Staying in the SM would prevent the ERG / Atlantic Bridge from having their "Bonfire of Red Tape",
e.g. all those pesky rules on food standards, safety standards for electrical products, toys etc

No chlorine chicken or hormone-riven beef from the huge US agribusiness
So no US FTA

1tisILeClerc · 09/09/2018 08:34

I see the Mail is helping the efforts by giving away free road maps, to compensate for switching off the GPS satellites. (OK I know they won't but you get the idea).

1tisILeClerc · 09/09/2018 08:42

Surely if Farage holds a German passport it should be Käse ?

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