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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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1tisILeClerc · 08/09/2018 19:07

Not so much Bambi in the cross hairs but more fish in a (very small) barrel, there is no spare 'world' to trade with that the existing world hasn't already noticed.
There used to be a thing about 'psyching up' soldiers so they can kill the enemy in close combat.
It would appear that the Gov are doing this to their own country.

Peregrina · 08/09/2018 20:20

I have just been reading up about the start of WW2. So many things almost happened by accident, or misunderstandings about people's intentions and then things took on an unstoppable life of their own. I could just see us crashing out of the EU in the same way.

borntobequiet · 08/09/2018 20:21

Someone posted this speech from Obama on the Trump thread.
I found it inspiring and apposite for us here too.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=7hZgg_KjvDQ
I also get a feeling of something moving towards a conclusion here, with Blair’s recent comments (despite his being despised by so many, so much he says makes sense),Cable’s announcement, Chuka Umunna’s calling out of the Labour leadership...election soon? Is there time?
And R4 reporting this evening that Govt, military, emergency services war gaming in case of Russian activity...no way. It’s in case of civil unrest arising from a no deal Brexit!

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borntobequiet · 08/09/2018 20:27

War games about 18 min in:
www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/b0bgp8l5

borntobequiet · 08/09/2018 20:28

Mrs sorry to cause you more stress, if I did.

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borntobequiet · 08/09/2018 20:38

Would love to be bigchoc ! Or at least swap lives for say a week...

Hazardswan · 08/09/2018 20:43

mrs remember to always look for the helpers. Monday there's the protest, final say petition has each over 750,000 signatures, numerous MPs want to remain and dont want to damage the country further, the renew party exists, women's party wants remain, lib dems want to remain. A novice and idiot such as myself has become political, I was reading economic charts earlier for fucks sake Grin

We're all going to have times of panic or worry it's ok but please remind yourself there's good out there still. Wine

Hazardswan · 08/09/2018 20:44

Oh and the special NHS petition.

Helpers everywhere I can't keep track!

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1tisILeClerc · 08/09/2018 20:59

Boris must have a very weird brain. If you look at some of the stuff he has said, it makes sense and even seems to be happening. Then he will 'spoil' it by talking complete bollocks and a different story.
I suppose it is a bit like a monkey on a typewriter writing Shakespeare.

woman11017 · 08/09/2018 21:01

We're all going to have times of panic or worry it's ok but please remind yourself there's good out there stilll
For sure.Smile Proms looked very EUy

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borntobequiet · 08/09/2018 21:05

For a laugh, in Chat:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3359499-Have-you-slept-with-Boris-Johnson

woman11017 · 08/09/2018 21:07

For a Smile EU flags at proms. Big audience for that one, which is useful..........
twitter.com/BeamaBeorg/status/1038509081823268864

Hazardswan · 08/09/2018 21:30

Not a prom'er either but the photos of the flags have made me come over all soppy!

prettybird · 08/09/2018 21:38

One of the people on my Strictly BitchPod Facebook group posted "Strictly not returning as too many EU nationals were dancers and not allowed in the UK... :(" Sad in response to someone else posting a link to Theresa May's genuine tweet saying @theresa_may: Get in touch if you need any tips...

#Strictly https://t.co/tqC8kFb1WW Shock

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2018 21:47

The first weekend in September is always TOTALLY mental for me. This year is no exception (and I know its technically the second).

I have SO much going on personally, which also relates to here.

Will try and post more tomorrow.

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1tisILeClerc · 08/09/2018 21:49

Osborne on SKY (online) suggesting keeping FoM (with Gove agreeing).

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2018 21:50

ANd yay to the proms. My 4 year old is still up and watching. HE WILL WATCH IT WHETHER HE LIKES OR NOT. Its the proms. Ditto Eurovision. (Do win middleclass points?). Its the two things a year, he WILL watch. I love music.

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woman11017 · 08/09/2018 21:51

Strictly not returning as too many EU nationals were dancers and not allowed in the UK
Creative Industry is being strangled by this. Bands can't tour without SM and CU. Womad had cancellations as artists couldn't get in due to HO.

Like the USSR during the 1960s-80s.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2018 21:52

Osborne on SKY (online) suggesting keeping FoM (with Gove agreeing).

Johnson will follow.

I'd give it 80 - 90 %.

Norway as gateway to Canada. Won't happen. It will stay as Norway.

They just have to get it to that.

(I have had lots of beer. But I just think....)

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RedToothBrush · 08/09/2018 22:02

DH re the proms:

Its almost as if eveyone has gone, what do Brexiteers hate most? I know

BERETS!

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