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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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BigChocFrenzy · 30/08/2018 15:49

Thanks, red Thanks

I always appreciate your OPs
There is so much happening, we need a recap and analysis at the start of each thread, so we are all reasonably up to date
You really do that well

1tisILeClerc · 30/08/2018 16:05

You mean the David Cameron that is cuddling up to some Chinese investments firm?

DGRossetti · 30/08/2018 16:07

Did David Cameron expect Remain to win? As time goes on, I am less and less convinced of that. He didn't really do much to make it happen, did he?

He's a Tory. They love to talk about hard work, but you need to realise it's other peoples hard work. They have no intention of doing it themselves (which will be their undoing, eventually. Everything goes around).

I've posted it before, and CBA to re-google it, but the brief exchange between the "Comte de Frou Frou" and Blackadder in the French Revolution episode explains all.

He's also a bit dim, which didn't help. Limited imagination is a sign of low intelligence, and he clearly didn't imagine he'd lose. The same way he didn't imagine he'd win the 2015 election. Harold Wilson would have had him for toast. (Note that Macmillan also displayed a similar lack of imagination ...)

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DGRossetti · 30/08/2018 16:17

He looked shell shocked after the 2015 win

Again, a bit dim.

I've said before, I actually sat 2 metres from him at a "Cameron Direct" (the one which wasn't put on the Conservative Party Website ...), and heard him speak. I have no doubt he's as decent a person as a Tory can get. He's also genuinely passionate that the UK should be in the EU, and that the UKs place in the world is as a "trading nation", not "making nation". All good stuff.

The fact he turned up and completely failed to prepare for every single question he got, shows he's a bit dim - and badly advised.

This is 2009, and every question then was about immigration. When he "joked", and said he thought people would have been much more concerned about the NHS, and asked for an NHS question he got one.

From a South African radiographer who asked if she should "go back home", as she clearly wasn't welcome in the UK.

It was rather hard to win the room back, after that.

I only went because DS was in a politically curious phase, and asked to go. He came out pretty down on Cameron ....

HesterThrale · 30/08/2018 16:32

One thing that worries me about a Final Say vote is that the way the question is asked can influence the responses. Here's proof of that in some widely different results on a similar question:

mobile.twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1034393195134771201

DarlingNikita · 30/08/2018 16:33

Did David Cameron expect Remain to win?...He didn't really do much to make it happen, did he?

No, he didn't do much, BECAUSE he expected the win. Arrogant and, as DG says, lacking in imagination.

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DGRossetti · 30/08/2018 16:37

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DGRossetti · 30/08/2018 16:41

Frank fields resigned the whip

Ah, yes ... the token gesture.

HesterThrale · 30/08/2018 16:47

Another response to JRM.

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DGRossetti · 30/08/2018 17:09

Anyone follow Guy Verhofstadt on FB ?

Love his comment on the Farage portrait ....

Farage portrait unsold: my trust in the taste of the British people is greater than ever ;-)

DGRossetti · 30/08/2018 17:12

Wongas gone.

1tisILeClerc · 30/08/2018 17:17

GV was quite cutting about Mr Farage a while back, saying he was a waste of taxpayers money. (ref inability to turn up to meetings).

TheElementsSong · 30/08/2018 17:36

Excellent summary as always Red - thanks for the new thread. The madness continues... Sad

BigChocFrenzy · 30/08/2018 17:49

Guy GrinGrin

BigChocFrenzy · 30/08/2018 17:55

Kenyan President Kenyatta told May he couldn't remember the name of Boris, that bike guy, Grin she sent to visit Kenya last year

Probably aghast at the sight of May dancing again, in his country this time.
I wonder if she'll try that at the next Europen Council meeting, since it worked so well in Africa

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/30/kenya-president-rebukes-theresa-may-last-day-africa-trip

BestIsWest · 30/08/2018 18:01

Place marling

RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 18:14

What's the point in resigning the whip, if you aren't voting with the whip anyway?

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SusanWalker · 30/08/2018 18:35

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/ppe-james-ball-and-andrew-greenway-bluffocracy-1-5663985

This article on PPE at Oxford explains quite a lot about David Cameron.

DGRossetti · 30/08/2018 18:41

Kenya is a beautiful country. I wonder how many Brexiteers have been ?

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