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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 23:18

Agree woman. It won't hurt him.

It'll be great publicity more likely.

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RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 23:27

twitter.com/Presstvuk/status/1037816782952779777

Press TV UK @Presstvuk
We are awaiting the results of a no-confidence vote by #Enfield North #Labour members in their pro-Israel MP #JoanRyan.

#Enfield North Labour members cheer and celebrate the news of the successful no confidence vote in rebel MP #JoanRyan.

Corbynite Purge of the Labour Party starting.

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woman11017 · 06/09/2018 23:28

OMG.

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 23:40

Daniel Hewitt @DanielHewittITV
One pro-Boris Tory MP has told me "this is called shovelling the sh*t out of the way for the leadership bid." They add: "you will start to see daily calls for Theresa May to stand down and an increase in the pressure for her to go."

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RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 23:48

Jennifer Williams @JenWilliamsMEN
Politics is brutally, cruelly pragmatic, obviously, but imagine being the wife ‘shovelled out of the way’

Its 2018.
No surprise really.

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RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 23:54

Joan Ryan MP @joanryanEnfield
So lost 92 to 94 votes hardly decisive victory and it never occurred to me that Trots Stalinists Communists and assorted hard left would gave confidence in me. I have none in them.

Just to be clear I will not be resigning. I am Labour through and through and I will continue to stand up and fight for Labour values.

Kevin Schofield @PolhomeEditor
Labour Friends of Israel chair Joan Ryan has lost a vote of confidence in her by members of her Enfield North CLP.

Not deselected (my mistake) - just stage one of deselection.

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2018 00:10

What were the stated grounds for the No Confidence motion ?

afaik, unlike Hoey, Field & co, she hadn't voted with the Tories on a key vote that could potentially have caused a GE

MPs are representatives, not delegates, supposed to vote as they think best for their constituents & the country

For me, deselection of an MP by any party should only be if they have persistently voted / campaigned against an important party policy or principle and hence clearly are in the wrong party

Doesn't sound like she went anywhere near that threshold.
Why should being pro-Israel (or pro-Palestinian) be a deselection issue - unless the local party is anti-semitic ?

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2018 00:16

Being disloyal to Corbyn from what I can tell. And apparently fabricating claims of anti-Semitism.

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2018 00:16

Blimey, red Do you really think that split was Boris clearing the decks for his leadership campaign ? Confused
A messy split and being exposed as a cheat used to be curtains for a political career, especially in the Tory Party

Will he produce a trophy arm adornment soon ? - that didn't go well for former UKIP leader Henry Bolton

I had thought the Heil - under their Remain editor - might even be trashing Boris as an acceptable way to damage a leading Ultra.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2018 00:18

So a blast from the past, where complaining against racism makes YOU the trouble-maker who gets sacked Confused

Icantreachthepretzels · 07/09/2018 01:10

What I don't understand ... WHO IS HAVING AFFAIRS WITH BORIS JOHNSON??????????????????????? Shock Shock Shock Shock

I feel a bit sick.

^Without those big financial firms, the City's place as the No 1 or 2 financial centre in the world vanishes in a puff of smoke
along with 10-12% of UK GDP and tax income for the govt^

I thought by jettisoning passporting for the city and refusing to include services in the chequers deal they had already essentially destroyed the city's place as centre of the financial world? And (if it comes to pass) ensured that masses gets wiped off our gdp?
Hence why I no longer believe a bomb Canary Wharf will worry the govt in the slightest.
Remember once upon a naive time ago when we all believed that they would have to make concessions and listen to the banks? And then they didn't? They've chosen to destroy the banking sector of their own volition - what can a terrorist do to upset them now?

mathanxiety · 07/09/2018 02:11

Do they mean sectarian lines? I don' think she's unusual at all in her ignorance. What is appalling is that TM thought someone with so little insight into NI would be appropriate for the job. I doubt TM herself is aware of much when it comes to NI.

I do agree with Bradley that there should be no statute of limitations on investigations of incidents during the Troubles.

Hazardswan · 07/09/2018 07:43

Ewwww. BoJo is a NoNo from every woman on the planet how'd he find a wife in the first place let alone someone to cheat on her with?

Putting me off my breakfast!

Doing a very successful job of dodging the articles about the welfare cuts in this post brexit hell hole. I can't take that kind of news, there will be many others who can't take that kind of news, we will go head in sand which is not productive obviously. But anyone who thinks we can take more cuts is barking.

Mrsr8 · 07/09/2018 07:48

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woman11017 · 07/09/2018 07:50

Outside parliament, a day ago, this is what Johnson has unleashed on our Muslim sisters. No arrests made. Sad
twitter.com/SODEMAction/status/1037824689278730240

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2018 07:51

Luton South MP Gavin Shuker also got no confidenced last night.

This was him two nights ago

BBC newsnight @bbcnewsnight
“I think it’s increasingly difficult not just for me but for other colleagues” to stay with the Labour Party, says Gavin Shuker MP after the anti-Semitism row

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RedToothBrush · 07/09/2018 07:52

And yes Johnson is preparing a leadership bid. The bid question is when now. Not if.

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Mrsr8 · 07/09/2018 07:53

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RedToothBrush · 07/09/2018 07:56

Oh and this

Jess Phillips @ jessphillips
Totally normal that Iranian state TV is broadcasting footage of a local CLP meeting. Totally effing normal, not at all sinister. Don't @ me or hack me.

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HesterThrale · 07/09/2018 07:57

Alex Jones and Infowars has finally been banned from Twitter, the only platform he still had.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/06/twitter-permanently-bans-conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones

Motheroffourdragons · 07/09/2018 08:00

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RedToothBrush · 07/09/2018 08:05

I hear Vince has a 'big announcement' at 9.30am

goes and sits in the corner rocking

Don't hold your breath folks. No. Really. Don't.

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borntobequiet · 07/09/2018 08:27

The announcement is I think about allowing non party members to vote for the leader in an attempt to broaden the party's reach. So the Hard Centre will do a moderate Momentum on the LDs.

Hazardswan · 07/09/2018 08:31

mrs it hurts my heart to read that. I'm a stranger on the internet but I'm sending all my love to her and thank you for doing what your doing Flowers

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2018 08:36

The announcement is I think about allowing non party members to vote for the leader in an attempt to broaden the party's reach. So the Hard Centre will do a moderate Momentum on the LDs

The effect will be party sabotage by Momentum to sabotage the party. You don't have to be in Labour to be in Momentum.

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