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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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woman11017 · 06/09/2018 21:31

She's the business bigchoc .Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2018 21:41

Yup, woman the situation would be even worse if Gina wasn't holding the govt to (some of) the rules

As I posted on that thread, I wish we had a written Constitution so that we didn't have to depend on someone being brave enough - and rich enough - at such a critical time in our history

Also, she can only bring cases where the current law, unwritten constituion and rules indicate the govt is doing something it is not supposed to do:

UK govts have too much unfettered power - too few checks on them - compared to govts in other countries,

e.g. there are more checks & balances in the US system constraining a POTUS than constraining a UK PM - due to the history of basically inheriting some rights of an absolute monarch

Peregrina · 06/09/2018 21:44

Karen Bradley - do we admire her honestly or should we be appalled at her ignorance and being happy to parade it? Incidentally, I think she is being a bit disingenuous about her Staffs Moorland Seat and making out how hard she had to fight against Labour. The old Leek Constituency was Labour between 1945 and 1970 but then had a long Tory period. Boundary changes enabled it to go back to Labour in 1997 and subsequent boundary changes turned it back to Tory in 2010. It's most definitely not like some of the Labour seats in the North where Labour wins huge majorities.

woman11017 · 06/09/2018 21:47

I'm reasonably appalled. peregrina

@SiobhanFenton
Karen Bradley has admitted in an interview with @theHouse_mag that she didn’t understand Northern Ireland when she became NI Sec:
“I didn’t understand things like... people who are nationalists don’t vote for unionist parties and vice-versa"

BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2018 21:55

btw, Annual MLA salaries will be cut in two stages over 3 months from £49.5k to £35.9k.

Not exactly a tough sanction for not doing their damn job !

Compare that to benefit sanctions, if someone say misses an interview due to a hospital appointment ...

Peregrina · 06/09/2018 22:01

“I didn’t understand things like... people who are nationalists don’t vote for unionist parties and vice-versa"

The problem is, that large areas of the country (well England) do not realise this. I have family members in the N West and West Scotland, and have lived in the said Staffs Moorland constituency. In the North West/parts of Scotland, Catholic/Protestant tensions still run quite high, with problems around which church a couple get married in, where do they have the children christened etc. Not quite as divided as N Ireland, but enough to make you aware. In N Staffs, much less so e.g. I only found out recently that a couple of school friends were catholics, it just wasn't an issue. I don't think you would get that in N Ireland - schools I believe are mostly segregated for a starter.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2018 22:05

NI civil servants leaked several years ago that back in the Troubles they had to present an idiots guide about NI to a new NI Sec:

They showed him a colour-coded map, with green for Nationalist / Republican areas and orange for Unionist / Loyalist ones

He asked: "Is that blue area a neutral population ?"

Answer: "No Minister, it's Lough Neagh !"

< Lough Neagh / Irish Loch Neathach, is the lake with the biggest area in NI and indeed in the British Isles. It provides 40% of NI's water supply >

woman11017 · 06/09/2018 22:07

Thank you @mumsnet that webchat with Gina Miller was lovely Flowers

BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2018 22:12

Any British citizen who has ever taken any notice of NI should be totally aware of sectarianism and its effects on voting, schools, friendships etc

Basic general knowledge - which we keep learning on MN is sadly lacking in the general population

Shameful that any politician could be so ignorant though

Did the Troubles pass her by ?

  • if she is too young to remember personally, an MP should still have a working knowledge of the most important bits of recent British history

If she had zero knowledge of the province, surely any responsible person would have researched it before taking up her post
so that the NI civil servants don't have yet more stories to relate of idiot NI Secs of State

woman11017 · 06/09/2018 22:14

The Irish Border today is particularly poignant.
@BorderIrish
[And those people are being dismissed again. I don’t care too much about where the border is in one hundred years. But I do care about now. About preserving twenty of years of people not dying and having twenty more. Bit pathetic really. But there it is]

twitter.com/BorderIrish/status/1037780362825539585

20 years. Sad

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2018 22:30

@BorderIrish

I am not the problem. Brexit is.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BorderIrish/status/1036537297901109249

woman11017 · 06/09/2018 22:36

I was told that I was just part of the catholic quota - so I better watch what I was doing Shock
mother I get that so completely! I grew up in the segregated schools in Glasgow and found it oppressive, and felt relieved to come to the multi cultural south of England. I think Glasgow's changed a bit though? Friends have married 'out' . prettybird's area sounds nice and mixed.
But people who haven't grown up in sectarian places can't know how it feels and what it does to a place.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2018 22:40

To remind us of how he has twisted & turned, here is Boris Johnson's 2013 speech:
( 3 years before he campaigned to leave the EU, to bring us the marvellous Sunny Uplands)

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/this-is-the-column-boris-johnson-wants-you-to-forget/05/09/amp/?twitterr_impression=true

“If we left the EU, we would end this sterile debate, and we would have to recognise that most of our problems are not caused by “Bwussels”,

but by chronic British short-termism, inadequate management, sloth, low skills, a culture of easy gratification and underinvestment in both human and physical capital and infrastructure,”

the former London Mayor said.

“Why are we still, person for person, so much less productive than the Germans?

That is now a question more than a century old, and the answer is nothing to do with the EU.

In or out of the EU, we must have a clear vision of how we are going to be competitive in a global economy.”

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woman11017 · 06/09/2018 22:54

I've got such romantic memories of Glasgow mother don't spoil them with reality!! I f*ing hate the orange lodge though. Angry
Bonking boris booted out. His wife must be thrilled to get shot of him, and may have just done us all a vast favour.

Westministenders: Back to School
RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 22:56

The chief whip met Johnson today:

BBC Politics @BBCPolitics
Former foreign Secretary @BorisJohnson was spotted having lunch in Westminster with the Conservative chief whip @JulianSmithUK. @ChrisMasonBBC tried to ask Mr Johnson about his plans for Brexit...
[👆tap the video to watch in full]

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
Johnson met the Chief Whip in one of the smallest and most prominent restaurants in Westminster, about 50 metres from a building full of journalists - just saying.

TOMORROWS FRONT PAGE OF THE SUN

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Motheroffourdragons · 06/09/2018 22:57

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2018 23:04

Cheating is pretty mild compared to other things Boris has done, to other people and the country.
His wife must have a strong stomach

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 23:06

Want to bet that's also the reason it took him so look to move out the foreign office residence?

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2018 23:07

The Heil gives the sordid rundown of his affairs, abortions etc:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6140893/Boris-Johnson-splits-lawyer-wife-Marina-accuses-fling.html

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 23:11

www.thesun.co.uk/news/7196421/boris-johnson-cheating-accusations-from-wife/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SprnklrSUNOrganic&UTMX=Editorial:TheSun:TwImageandlink:Statement:News
Boris Johnson booted out by wife Marina after she accused him of cheating AGAIN

The Sun can reveal the ex-Foreign Secretary and his high-flying lawyer wife, both 54, are now living apart and no longer socialise as a couple after the fresh allegations of him having a 'fling'

The Johnsons are understood to have parted around the time they left the grace and favour mansion at Carlton Gardens last month following Boris’s resignation as Foreign Secretary.

Ah yes.

Earlier this year, rumours had circulated in Westminster that Boris had started to give his police protection officers the slip for illicit liaisons while he was Foreign Secretary.

He would disappear off their radar for an hour or two, causing concern among officials.

God, I bet May LOVED that.

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woman11017 · 06/09/2018 23:12

Being a dirty old man did the 45th no harm with his demographic though. Hmm Chuck in a bit more racism and he could be in by xmas.

woman11017 · 06/09/2018 23:14

Boris had started to give his police protection officers the slip for illicit liaisons
An affair? Really? The man is a national security risk.