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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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jasjas1973 · 06/09/2018 18:20

R4 had a short news item on Brexit A Love Story! and in that BJ was apparently swinging between in and out, even telling DC he would support Remain, eventually deciding on Leave but wrote to DC telling him "Brexit would be crushed like a toad under the farrow"

Its not inconceivable he will make a rousing speech demanding we stay in and stands against May... he is the only political figure who could get away with it, i mean he has got away with that bus slogan after all lol!
He certainly wont want to be PM facing a serious economic down turn post Brexit, if/when May steps aside.

DarlingNikita · 06/09/2018 18:23

Its not inconceivable he will make a rousing speech demanding we stay in and stands against May... he is the only political figure who could get away with it

I've said exactly the same thing for quite some time. I loathe the man but he does seem to be able to pull off things no one else would even conceive of trying.

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 18:25

Its not inconceivable he will make a rousing speech demanding we stay in and stands against May... he is the only political figure who could get away with it

DH is also of that opinion.

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DarlingNikita · 06/09/2018 18:33

Mrsr8, I think he's waiting until conference (which I'm not thinking May will survive).

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DGRossetti · 06/09/2018 18:39

Who here would vote for a Remain-touting BoJo led Tory party Hmm

DGRossetti · 06/09/2018 18:41

Where's Newman Grin

Westministenders: Back to School
woman11017 · 06/09/2018 18:42

David Cameron won the leadership against favourite Davis with his conference speech. This is a little posh boys' school spat which has cost and will cost more than we can ever afford.

1tisILeClerc · 06/09/2018 18:50

BoJo taking over and getting the UK to remain seems a bit crazy but crazy over financial suicide might sway it for me. Fortunately I wouldn't get the ability to vote. It would still be a hell of a mess but then it is already.

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 18:54

Catherine Neilan @ catneilan
I understand ERG has decided to pull back from publishing its tranche of alternative Brexit proposals. "We don't want to help Number 10 while they are making mistakes," one source tells me

Clarification - this is a delay from publishing this weekend. One paper will be published next week, thereafter who knows

Yeah OK.

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mathanxiety · 06/09/2018 18:57

..the fact that it is unclear who is, genuinely, in charge, what the civilian/military chain of command is, what would happen in event of a major security crisis suggests the situation has already catastrophically deteriorated.
(From @ JasMuj quoted above by RTB)
I have always wondered what hand Gen John Kelly is playing in the WH, and what role he might play if asked to by groups of genuinely concerned very highly placed individuals from the security and military establishment.

I have no doubt that John Brennan (exCIA) who has been attacked by Trump and has fought back is backed by many senior officials and former officials and operatives.

mathanxiety · 06/09/2018 19:10

Ambient food only ...in food banks. Yes, nothing that can spoil.

Though my church stocks a food bank in a parish in a deprived area, and we do a community garden that supplies fresh fruit and veg in season to this food bank, plus you can donate whatever you want from your own homegrown fruit and veg. Pickup of the fruit and veg is at the church car park on Fridays and delivery is on Saturday morning, with the food bank open all day Sat and Sun. Some people go out and buy fresh fruit and veg and contribute, and some donate money. There are a good few bunches of green bananas every weekend all summer, and bags of apples.

There is also a Saturday lunch for the homeless programme in the summer in my church premises, advertised as a social occasion and those who want to make a donation can; bringing a dish to share is part of the deal too - the idea being to socialise with the homeless as well as feed them. Lots of homeless and very poor families show up for this. There are games for the children, bingo for all, little prizes, vouchers from chain supermarkets, Walmart, Target, and fried chicken places, McDs, etc that parishioners donate.

In the autumn there is a winter coat/hat/scarf/longjohn drive.

So much poverty and so few ways out of it for those stuck in the mire.

Hazardswan · 06/09/2018 19:16

Tbh BoJo has a huge appeal to the conservatives (leavers) i know, they like him. Adore in fact. If he switched to remain with some fumbling mumbling speech they'd eat it up and go with it.

I need to know new people don't I?

Peregrina · 06/09/2018 19:20

I think I have said before that Boris is the only one who could pull off such an about turn. "Sorry chaps, we can't leave."
He will do so if he senses that the mood of the public is shifting, because he still wants to be PM, but not a PM who has to sort out a mess.

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1tisILeClerc · 06/09/2018 19:29

If BoJo did flip to remain he would certainly get some assistance from the EU as well as apart from an annoyance that the UK has caused such widespread grief most of the EU don't want the UK to leave.
As Mr Barnier, supported by all the EU countries keeps saying, the Europe project can't be divided just to suit one country. There are a lot of other vital jobs that the EU needs to do with regard to security of all the countries and breaking that up would be devastating to all.

Hazardswan · 06/09/2018 19:37

BoJo is Mr Goodtimes Guy and would love the EU's full (positive) attention. If brexit is as bad as they are saying he'll have to give up ambitions of being PM and it's plain to see imo he wants it bad Grin. So is Bo's ambition big enough to stop brexit?

I'll be floored if it happens. But it's the cherry on the cake to these unbelievable, ridiculous times.

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jasjas1973 · 06/09/2018 19:42

Most people actually like to be led... eg Churchill took a nation that didn't want to fight Hitler and reformed their opinions.

All BJ has to say is May screwed the opportunity to leave and that our best chances are in a reformed EU that only he, BorisJ can deliver! and i reckon he could pull it off... all the economic indexes would sky rocket and it would all be down to BJ and his incisive intervention lol!

BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2018 19:47

Excellent scheme, Math with the socialising too
Maybe helps more people regard those who are food-poor as people like them, not as "other"

BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2018 19:54

Yes, Boris clearly has no scruples or genuine beliefs, other than in himself
He might well become leader by promising a hardline Brexit, then U-turn to Remain if he thinks it in his interest

BUT
Brexit MPs are wise to him,
would probably vote only for their own people and keep him away from the final 2

  • Remain Tories wouldn't vote for him either

I agree if it goes to the members, he has a damn good chance, but I expect that keeping him out of the last 2 is one of the few actions that Leave and remain Tories can agree on !

Also, if you thought he was embarassing and dangerous - remember Nazanin - as Foriegn Sec, think what he might do as PM ... Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2018 19:56

If he ever does become PM, < shudders >
I imagine Barnier, Merkel, Macron etc all putting on protective gloves before shaking hands with him and never turning their back while he's around

BestIsWest · 06/09/2018 19:57

I’ve also been saying to DH for a good while while that Boris could flip to remain and get away with it. I bet he does too.

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