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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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DGRossetti · 06/09/2018 15:03

I expect a few strategically placed bombs, insurance costs of £ several hundred million each, would drive the UK govt to the negotiating table, just as it did in the 1990s.

It took two then. I don't think insurance costs were the worry (unless insurers started refusing to payout pointing to war exclusion clauses). Much more worrying would have been the flurry of calls from all over the world from companies asking "is it safe ?" and "maybe Frankfurt is a better choice".

Bear in mind the UK government knew from the off in the 1960s that a military engagement with the provisional IRA (the official IRA having already reached the same conclusion) was unwinnable. So all the atrocities and lives lost were pawns - on both sides. The only remarkable thing about the period of the troubles is it seems the Great British Public emerged at the end knowing even less about the Irish situation than they did at the start. Which raises an interesting mathematical question about what is fuck-all minus something ?

I find the apparent silence from Sinn Fein ... curious, and concerning. A little like dogs that go completely silent before attacking.

woman11017 · 06/09/2018 15:08

We Need to Talk About Tufton Street

More intriguing than a John le Carré thriller, the shadowy story behind Brexit is a tailor-made blockbuster involving eccentric billionaires, far-right cabals, spies, spivs, technological skullduggery and a host of unscrupulous politicians supported by an unwitting cast of millions of UK citizens

Long read but interesting matrix of the different groups involved here now. It's changed a bit since the 'vote' , all those many years ago. And as Leave means Leave is now there, shows how the nutter brexists are controlling the agenda, presumably leading to letters like Mogg's one above.

Co-founded by Richard Tice, an active member of the Leave.EU hierarchy, Leave means Leave has now welcomed Nigel Farage who’s using it as a platform for his ‘return to frontline politics

As seen below, Leave means Leave is almost a reincarnation of Conservatives for Britain, little more than a collection of impotent right-wing backbenchers and ERG members who excel in little more than populist rhetoric and dog-whistle politics

There's a photo gallery of the impotents, which could be a useful hallowe'en prop.

www.brexitshambles.com/brexit-scam-we-need-to-talk-about-tufton-street/

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 15:12

So after the leak about Operation Yellowhammer

It is nice to the Ed Balls of Civil Contingency planning having everything under control:
twitter.com/estwebber/status/1037670433615687680

I strongly recommend that everyone search Operation Yellowhammer on google and twitter to get it trending.

Funny how no one has ever thought to put sensitive documents in a folder where cameras can't photograph them isn't it? Anyone would think it had been set up and done deliberately.

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RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 15:15

Trump will make protests illegal....

...and the US will slip into civil war.

Which tbf, looks like its a strong possibility at this stage in procedings.

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DGRossetti · 06/09/2018 15:25

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Westministenders: Back to School
RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 15:25

In case you were wondering where the code name came from?

If this guy was in charge we might have a better chance.

Westministenders: Back to School
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RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 15:27

Aaron Bastani @AaronBastani
Believe in something, even if it means sacrificing everything.

Gosh these lot are lovely

Westministenders: Back to School
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DGRossetti · 06/09/2018 15:29

Seems farmers aren't impressed by the visas non-story

www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/sep/06/government-to-issue-temporary-work-visas-to-help-uk-fruit-farmers

A new government visa scheme for agricultural workers has been criticised by farmers and fruit growers for not going far enough to plug the gap blown open by Brexit.

The new scheme will be capped at just 2,500 a year as part of a two-year trial announced by the environment secretary, Michael Gove, and the home secretary, Sajid Javid, on Thursday.

While welcomed as a step in the right direction, farmers’ associations say it barely addresses the needs of British summer fruit and vegetable growers, who employ 60,000 workers a year, mostly from eastern Europe. Many are now required all year round because of the boom in the sector.

“To have any effect in terms of supporting our successful industry, (a desire much-stated in the release) around 10,000 are needed now – not 2,500 – this number will have little effect on the current shortages UK farms are facing as we speak. The proposal represents a 4% increase in a shrinking workforce, said Nick Marston, the chairman of British Summer Fruits.

(contd).

(The temptation to change that last to "Sunshine Desserts" was great Hmm)

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 15:31

www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/cabinet-ministers-are-mooting-a-brexit-third-way?bftwuk&utm_term=4ldqpgm#4ldqpgm
Cabinet Ministers Are Plotting For A Harder Brexit "Third Way" If Theresa May's Chequers Plan Fails

“It’s not too late to do a version of Canada if Chequers goes wrong,” a Leave-supporting minister told BuzzFeed News

We now have Parliament split between Yellowhammer Anarchy, Canada, Chequers, Norway and Fuck This Shit.

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prettybird · 06/09/2018 15:37

That JRM letter is just ShockAngry. Or it would be if we didn't expect such self-deluded drivel from him Hmm

He really doesn't have the slightest comprehension of how being a 3rd country works, how the WTO works, how EASTA works Confused

Or maybe he does, but in his 18th 19th Century deluded way, doesn't think that laws and international treaties apply to the likes of him or the glorious British Empire on which the sun has never set UKHmm

Hazardswan · 06/09/2018 15:41

Ok...so clearly we are living in a satire political comedy. Yellowhammer

DGRossetti · 06/09/2018 15:49

He really doesn't have the slightest comprehension of how being a 3rd country works, how the WTO works, how EASTA works

Hardly proved a hindrance in his given trade though.

1tisILeClerc · 06/09/2018 15:49

On the basis that 'Brexitshambles' link is correct it suggests we are in far deeper shit than anyone suspects. JRM being an out of touch 'whatever' is almost irrelevant. He is just hanging about until his money arrives.

DGRossetti · 06/09/2018 15:50

Yellowhammer

i have visions of the entire cabinet desperately trying to remember that 1986 Peter Gabriel hit.

Badly.

1tisILeClerc · 06/09/2018 15:54

You mean incorrectly.

Motheroffourdragons · 06/09/2018 16:13

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DGRossetti · 06/09/2018 16:19

an English version of Taggart.

Thairs bin ah murdur ....

Motheroffourdragons · 06/09/2018 16:20

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DGRossetti · 06/09/2018 16:31

Meanwhile, simply browsing Mumsnet once could land you in chokey.

borntobequiet · 06/09/2018 16:41

The call of the yellowhammer:
www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/b02tt1kv
"A little bit of bread and no cheeeeeese"

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 17:01

I have visions of the Civil Contingency Planners out there desperately vanity googling operation yellowhammer for clues to who leaked it

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DGRossetti · 06/09/2018 17:07

I have visions of the Civil Contingency Planners out there desperately vanity googling operation yellowhammer for clues to who leaked it

They could ask GCHQ to use some of the same pixie dust they used to ferret out the pictures of the suspects from Petabytes of data.

DGRossetti · 06/09/2018 17:33

Brexit: EU sees 'positive elements' in UK's Chequers plan

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45427669

Sort of reverse cherry picking Grin

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 18:04

This from the Editor of the New European

Matt Kelly @mk1969
I was told yesterday, by someone who knows him very well (but not family) that Boris Johnson "deeply regrets" going down the Brexit route and now wishes he'd sent the other letter. "He knows he's fucked up massively. Now he's working out how to get himself out of the mess."

Ian Martin @ iainmartin1
that is not true, really.

Matt Kelly @mk1969
that's what I was told. only reporting. but it was a good source.

Now, I have NFI if this is true. I have my doubts.

But the timing - just a day after the Curtice poll is fascinating.

And I pondered it for a second.

Boris was forced to resign after Davis resigned otherwise he would have lost all credibility as the being committed to Brexit. It forced a willy waving situation where Davis would have looked to have had more integrity if Johnson hadn't quit.

It always seemed as if Johnson really was reluctant to resign and was not too pleased when it was forced.

By this point though Gove by contrast had jumped the ship into Camp Chequers (or Camp Canada via Norway). He was escaping the curse of Vote Leave.

So Johnson set himself adrift towards Yellowhammer Anarchy by himself.

But if he want to be leader he faces a choice: either challenge May now and deal with Brexit himself (and go down as the Pm who destroyed the UK). Or let May deal with Brexit and perhaps lose his chance to be leader the government collapses and there's an election.

Thus a volt face starts to look attractive prospect for Johnson.

DH has always said that Johnson wants a legacy like Churchill - a heroic figure who saved the country.

But if the majority of the public are now already turning against Brexit, then how can he ever have that legacy anyway.

It's an interesting dilemma, because if public opinion is changing and continues to change, the only way he can be a hero, can be to...

Interesting tweet.

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