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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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PineappleSunrise · 05/09/2018 09:58

The story of the 6-year-old boy being blocked from returning home makes me feel for the boy, but I don't think it indicates that the passport office is getting worse in its attitudes to who gets a passport.

Citizenship of the UK comes from having a British citizen parent, NOT from being born and raised in the UK. If your parents are not British, then the only other way for your birth to "count" was to be born to EU citizens settled here for 5 years. It's the EU settlement rights that are under threat at the moment.

FWIW, things used to be worse. When my American friend had a child with her Scottish boyfriend in the early naughties, the law was that their daughter couldn't inherit her father's citizenship at all because they weren't married. The legislation was later updated to include unmarried parents, but they ended up having a quick wedding and getting their child's birth certificate re-registered so she could have a British passport.

Reading between the lines of that Independent story, I'd say the child's mother applied fraudulently for a passport for her child and the passport office caught up with her. Which sucks for the child I agree, but the its the law on acquiring the citizenship behind this, not the way the HO has applied it.

lonelyplanetmum · 05/09/2018 09:58

I know I'm posting disjointed thoughts. The whole mess still does my head in.

I just read this article and found some irony as the EU have moved on and are talking about the EU budget for 2020-27. These negotiations * are referred to as the most difficult in EU history.*

Contrast the U.K. withdrawal and trade agreement which as we all know is the “easiest in human history” according to disgraced-former -defence -secretary -and -Werrity- sniffer Liam Fox

The EU are moving on and have other more difficult matters to attend to, some in part caused by us, but we are no longer the main the focus of attention, if we ever were.

www.euractiv.com/section/future-eu/news/french-foreign-minister-we-no-longer-want-to-pay-for-poland-and-hungary/

lonelyplanetmum · 05/09/2018 10:03

...the child's mother applied fraudulently for a passport for her child and the passport office caught up with her.

This may be true, the facts are yet to emerge. However the relatively isolated incident will by some, be falsely linked to our relinquishing EU membership.

It will also be falsely taken as confirmation by some that the Leave vote imeans that little boys called Mohammed can be thrown out.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2018 10:03

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/national-action-arrests-neo-nazi-terrorism-west-midlands-police-a8523456.html
National Action: Five arrested on suspicion of being members of banned neo-Nazi group

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HermioneGoesBackHome · 05/09/2018 10:08

...the child's mother applied fraudulently for a passport for her child and the passport office caught up with her.

Actually the child got his passport from his FATHER so if anyone had been fraudulent it would be him.

But beside that, this case is right in the middle of another scandal.
One where the HO didn’t actually do his job properly (aka checking that the parent applying for the child passport was fulfilling all the criteria). And now several years on, they seem to have caught up (right in the middle of the hostile environment) and are just cancelling said citizenship.

Therebeen yer cases like this, incl cases where the parent need to give a certain document (sorry ant remember the exact one) but this has been discontinued since 2011 so no one can check on said document.

Basically more of the same than with the Windrush scandal.

I have no idea what’s going on with this child and there the mother did a fraudulent claim etc...
But I do know that separating the child from his mother is against human rights and there is something utterly wrong about the whole case.

DGRossetti · 05/09/2018 10:08

Citizenship of the UK comes from having a British citizen parent, NOT from being born and raised in the UK. If your parents are not British, then the only other way for your birth to "count

All true, but rather missing the point that it seems in this case, the criteria might have been having a "funny" name ? Which is bigoted and unacceptable (which arguably is the Home Offices mission statement)

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2018 10:13

[www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/05/survived-warsaw-ghetto-wartime-lessons-extremism-europe?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
I survived the Warsaw ghetto. Here are the lessons I’d like to pass on

This is stunning.

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2018 10:16

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/05/survived-warsaw-ghetto-wartime-lessons-extremism-europe?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Link fail above.

Stunning.

Stephen Bush @stephenkb
The Sun newspaper has a more sensible housing policy than the Conservatives and a more enlightened drugs policy than Labour, what a time to be alive.

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HermioneGoesBackHome · 05/09/2018 10:18

Citizenship of the UK comes from having a British citizen parent, NOT from being born and raised in the UK.

That’s wrong.
Since 2004 (I think), children born from parents in the U.K. can become british citizen EVEN IF their parents aren’t british. One of the parents need to prove they are ‘settled’ (eg indefinitive leave to remain)
Plenty of parents who are eu citizens are asking for the British citizenship for their children at the moment for example.

lonelyplanetmum · 05/09/2018 10:18

It is the inalienable right of any child (including those illegally entering the US) not to be separated from his or her parent. (It's bad enough being separated from mine when they skip
back to school and Uni.)

Leaving this to one side, I suppose the press could say look little boys called Mohammed can be thrown out anyway. We don't to leave the EU to do that.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 05/09/2018 10:26

red stunning is definitely the word for it. Speaks more sense than a lot of things I've read recently

ElenaGreco123 · 05/09/2018 10:31

Home Fires by Kamila Shamsie contemplates the nature of British citizenship and losing it.
She pointed it out that if your parents were Pakistani, you can only be British-born, not British.
And why can Brits with 2 passports lose their citizenship, but not Brits with just 1 passport? How can anyone be banned from the only home they have ever known?
The novel is a reimagination of Antigone. I cannot recommend it enough.

ElenaGreco123 · 05/09/2018 10:32

I would make that article by the Warsaw uprising survivor compulsory reading. Many people have a very simplistic view of the war.

HermioneGoesBackHome · 05/09/2018 10:36

Unfortunately, you dint need a novel to talk about people with two citizenship been stripped of the british one.
Or to see people been banned from the only country they’ve ever known.

Because that what’s happening to some people originally from non eu countries atm. (Not just windrush)

And that’s what parents from EU countries are worried for the or own children with Brexit.

It’s not a novel. It’s reality :(

BestIsWest · 05/09/2018 11:03

Emergency statement to Parliament about Salisbury after PMQ.

ElenaGreco123 · 05/09/2018 11:19

I know Hermione. Unfortunately.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2018 11:20

Mark Urban @MarkUrban01
Breaking: UK police charge 2 Russian passport holders, Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov with the attempted murder of Sergei and Yulia Skripal used Novichok nerve agent

Police believe that both Boshirov and Petrov are aliases. They confirmed that the 2 men were travelling on passports issued by the Russian government. AC Neil Basu described it as “a sophisticated attack across national borders”

Police gave extensive details of the movements of their 2 suspects starting with their arrival at Gatwick airport on 2/3/18, trips to Salisbury on 3rd & 4th before leaving the UK at 22.30 on Aeroflot SU2585 from Heathrow to Moscow on 4/3/18 (the day of the attack)

The suspects stayed in the City Stay Hotel, Bow, London during their stay in the UK. Police searching their room on 4/5/18 discovered minute traces of Novichok. They say there is no risk to other guests and users of public transport

Police also released details of the perfume bottle used to transport the Novichok into UK and apply it to the Skripals’ front door: Ninna Ricci ‘Premier Jour’. Inquiries showed it was fake and had been specially made for use as a poison dispenser

AC Basu sais no extradition request had been made of Russia because it was clear it would not be granted. He criticised “media speculation and leaking” for alerting the suspects, making it less likely they would travel

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2018 11:22

Allie Hodgkins-Brown @AllieHBNews
More detail on #salisbury suspects: Scotland Yard said the men travelled to the UK from Moscow on 2 March using authentic Russian passports issued in the two names.
They left the UK on the evening of 4 March after carrying out the attack.

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2018 11:23

Danny Shaw @DannyShawBBC
The CPS says it will not be applying to Russia for the extradition of Petrov and Boshirov (their names are aliases) because Russia doesn't have extradition arrangements with UK, but a European Arrest Warrant has been obtained, in case they travel to EU.

Goodie. So they will be free to travel to Europe in April next year then?

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2018 11:28

Boundary Commission @BCE2018
This morning we submitted our final report on the #2018BoundaryReview to the Government. Our work is done! Thanks to everyone who contributed to the review and told us so much about their local areas. 1/2
The Government now have to lay our report in Parliament - we can't publish our recommendations until that happens. Find out more about the next steps in a recent blog from our Deputy Chair here. 2/2
boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/towards-the-final-recommendations/

Published on Monday.

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DGRossetti · 05/09/2018 11:40

but a European Arrest Warrant has been obtained, in case they travel to EU.

Before Brexit, that is.

Icantreachthepretzels · 05/09/2018 11:51

Nigel Farage has been on US tv this week saying if there is no deal, the 3 million should be deported.

I hope he's including his own German children in that. Disgusting Wanker.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/09/2018 11:52

Brilliant article by a Holcaust survivor
We will be so much poorer when the last of them have left us

It is so infuriating when the far right and far left try to minimise or full out deny the Holocaust

but just as dangerous for the future is the refusal of supposedly mainstream "respectable" politicians and members of the public to learn the lessons about demonising ethnic groups or religions

We must always remember that people are individuals, with individual virtues and faults.

It is Ok for people to propose that their country should reduce immigration, but the problem is that so many seek to demonise whole groups of people, in order to justify that policy
and the far right, often financed and driven by the US far right, use xenophobia against immigrants in order to gain power and loot.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/09/2018 11:59

Farage showed his true nasty colours when he was at Dulwich College - too young to skirt the edges of acceptability -
when he marched around the college chanting "Gas the Jews"

Of course people can change evil beliefs or repent evil actions, but he has never apologised - just justified:
he said it was because there were riots in London;
those were by people of AfroCaribbean origin, not Jewish.

However, he clearly lumps all non-Anglosphere foreigners together
and his intentions towards them and towards "traitors" are very worrying if the UK ever went insane and elected him as Der Führer.

1tisILeClerc · 05/09/2018 12:12

If Mr Farage loses the right to travel to Europe then that will be a big win for Europe (without the UK).

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