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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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lonelyplanetmum · 05/09/2018 06:46

Also Bloomberg advertises our stupidity internationally...

Want to know how no-deal Brexit fears are already hurting the U.K.?

Just ask Martin McVicar, who runs Combilift, which produces about 6,000 forklift trucks annually in Ireland for export. Up until this year, he imported seats costing about 200 euros ($232) apiece from a Welsh factory. Now, he’s switched the 1.2 million-euro contract to a German manufacturer, fearing a hard Brexit will hit his existing supply chain.

“Brexit’s the driver -- we wouldn’t have changed otherwise,” ...
McVicar’s decision is a microcosm of the pain already inflicted on the economy by Brexit......The Brexit vote has already cost Britain more than 2 percent of economic output, according to analysis by UBS Group AGG*, published on Monday.

Why does no- one- the government, the "opposition", Leave voters -anyone see this harm as a reason to halt the process and rethink? 2% of economic output is only the start.

https://www.bloomberg.com/europe

1tisILeClerc · 05/09/2018 07:52

Andy Burnham in Manchester saying get an extension of A50. Missed the boat really, the damage has already been done and dragging it out longer won't persuade countries outside the UK to invest.
I believe the rules whereby we can stay IN the EU are that we can cancel up to the minute before A50 expires. That won't correct the horrendous mess that we are in, except that flights, medicines and trade etc can 'happily' continue on the 'morning after'.
Like the black Knight in Monty Python, we have already chopped one leg off at least.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2018 07:53

Tim Shipman @shippersunbound
Ken Livingstone has now been talking about Hitler for SEVEN MINUTES on Good Morning Britain

Can I just stay in bed today please?

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woman11017 · 05/09/2018 07:55

@MSmithsonPB
Latest NatCen survey overseen by Prof John Curtice has
Remain 59%
Leave 41%

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2018 07:59

Andy Burnham in Manchester saying get an extension of A50. Missed the boat really, the damage has already been done and dragging it out longer won't persuade countries outside the UK to invest.

Isn't that the same Andy Burnham who very cynically declared himself a leaver as part of his campaign strategy to win election as Manchester Mayor.

That Andy Burnham.

Is the penny dropping, love? You self serving prick?

Honestly he didn't need to do it. He would have won anyway. And I really don't think he was a leaver.

Maybe does suggest that your political future in the Labour Party is limited if you are openly a leaver now though. Except if your name is Jeremy.

Only two years too late, but what does that matter?

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lonelyplanetmum · 05/09/2018 08:02

Ken Livingstone has now been talking about Hitler for SEVEN MINUTES on Good Morning Britain.

Permission for a duvet day granted Red.

What is wrong with him? Did he learn nothing from his suspension and disciplinary action before? There's enough else to address surely?

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2018 08:02

Woman, I would not be surprised at that natcen figure rising further to close to 70% before we are done.

And we'll still bloody leave.

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2018 08:09

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boy-passport-home-office-belgium-holiday-blocked-mother-a8522211.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true
British boy who has lived in country since birth refused entry to UK on return from holiday
Exclusive: Mohamed Bangoura, born in Leeds in 2012, blocked from reuniting with his mother in Britain after Home Office revoked his passport

Exactly the same as Hispanics in the US who were born in the US being deported.

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1tisILeClerc · 05/09/2018 08:18

{Also Bloomberg advertises our stupidity internationally}
The whole of the business world knows of 'our' stupidity, something that has totally evaded everyone at Westminster.
If a Saudi sheikh gets an upset stomach the 'oil world' knows about it.
Never mind 'scallop wars' there are vast quantities of industrial sharks circling the UK and the blood is already in the water.
In the days when news traveled by stagecoach we might have got away with this nonsense but the cat is well and truly out of the bag.

lonelyplanetmum · 05/09/2018 08:23

Latest NatCen survey overseen by Prof John Curtice has
Remain 59%
Leave 41%*

So there's this survey and the GMB wanting a vote. Generally the overall stats are edging towards the MN survey figure...so it's ( some) men who are yet to perform a volte face.

Although I agree we will leave anyway.

woman11017 · 05/09/2018 08:24

And we'll still bloody leave
Yup. More I look at this, this all did start in 2010, or earlier. How fascinating this time would be to read about. Living it is starting to irritate me.

woman11017 · 05/09/2018 08:25

I'm thinking more about how does EU27 handle a failed state on its doorstep. I'm wondering what strategies they will have to adopt to stop contagion.

1tisILeClerc · 05/09/2018 08:28

I wonder if HRH is thumbing through her 'Treason committed by peasants and government' book?
Maybe a quick tweet to the man with an axe?

1tisILeClerc · 05/09/2018 08:30

Although the EU will need to readjust in some ways it can perfectly legally just 'stand still' and watch it happen.
The UK ASKED to leave by invoking A50, it is OUR problem, not the EU27.

lonelyplanetmum · 05/09/2018 09:04

I'm worried about the headline news item about the six year old boy born in Leeds in 2012 refused entry.

Not least because that will be a very traumatised little boy.

However I think it will encourage the UKIP, Britain first and Tory wing that Leave have a wider remit than other EU citizens.

The little boy's name is Mohammed and he is British born -but the news item potentially can fuel profound misconceptions in the Leave camp.

jasjas1973 · 05/09/2018 09:13

It wont make the headlines because he is called Mohammed.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2018 09:24

Generally the overall stats are edging towards the MN survey figure...so it's ( some) men who are yet to perform a volte face.

It does make the MN survey look plausable.

I'm worried about the headline news item about the six year old boy born in Leeds in 2012 refused entry.

Nigel Farage has been on US tv this week saying if there is no deal, the 3 million should be deported.

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lonelyplanetmum · 05/09/2018 09:34

Never mind 'scallop wars' there are vast quantities of industrial sharks circling the UK and the blood is already in the water.

I don't think this penny has dropped either.

I know a family (not so far from lonelyplanets) that own a small share in a U.K. financial services business. Since 2016 a Middle eastern investor, a US company and a German one have been making offers.

This is but one minor example of how Brexit can end up as a short term benefit for metropolitan elites of a certain generation. The long term result is what? U.K. workers with now unprotected wages become low paid drudges making profits for companies which were originally U.K. owned but now fuel other economies.

lonelyplanetmum · 05/09/2018 09:37

if there is no deal, the 3 million should be deported....

Told you..Leave really does mean leave.

Interesting how our ' negotiating ' hand was originally our defence participation and intelligence. Now all we have is the fact that some EU citizens live here.

Imagine all those costa del sol Brits returning en masse. Except they can't fly (as no EASA etc). They'll have to walk...

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2018 09:50

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
Morning - more from Robbins and Raab today, and first #pmqs of the season on #politicslive - but biggest news of day might be likely statement after 1230, sources suggest its related to Salisbury attack - no official confirmation

That duvet is looking really attractive.

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CardinalSin · 05/09/2018 09:50

Someone is looking for Current Affairs questions for a quiz. Can some of you super clever people maybe come up with appropriate suggestions?!

DGRossetti · 05/09/2018 09:51

Meanwhile, with ... interesting Hmm timing ... there's a fresh scare about meat quality in the UK.

Might be worth pressing Leavers on what their view is of post Brexit food standards. Because now it's news, I don't think it's worth Googling to see if they promised they'd improve.

Currently, the best they can do is rather limply mutter "it won't be much worse" ...

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2018 09:54

www.thesun.co.uk/news/7178128/government-scraps-three-year-contracts/
Plan to guarantee renters three-year tenancies is being killed off by nervous ministers

The Treasury has also opposed the plan for fear that future property investment would be scared off

FFS. Do we want future property investment? Or simply 'homes'.

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Bodoni · 05/09/2018 09:55

I’m interested how the 3 million EU citizens are to be forced to leave - are the army and police to be sent to haul doctors, nurses, care workers, professionals, academics away from their place of work and bus them to Dover?

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