Remainders always start anti Brexit threads.

[Ihatemycar]

I've been reading Brexit threads and it's always the same people talking about how unhappy they are about Brexit.
I guess Brexit leave voters have no time to waste on forums.

See, I understand why the men make the trip.

Let's imagine (ha!) the UK was on its way up shit creek. You only speak English and you have family (and work contacts) in the US or Aus but the trip there is more dangerous than staying where you are.

There are people traffickers seeking out teen and young girls and you have a daughter. People are going missing, toddlers are drowning (you have one of those too) and once you get to the US or Aus you are forced to live in squalid camp full of violence until you reach your family member. Your husband was killed.

You could go to another country, a closer one but it's still a dangerous trip, you don't speak the language and you won't get a job. And once you get there you'll have to live in a camp anyway.

Do you all go, do you take your teen daughter and your toddler and your 17yo son and all make the dangerous trip? Do you leave your children behind in a war zone and go alone, knowing you might be kidnapped and raped or murdered and never return for them? Do none of you go and you stay at home and pray your house is not bombed while you're sleeping? Or do you tearfully and reluctantly allow your 17yo son to make the trip, knowing once he's there he can bring your teen daughter and toddler to him legally and safely?

Woman - you could make elderberry and apple jam or jelly or elderberry and apple crumble.

Or even elderberry gin! I've never tried it - but it's this guy's plum gin recipe that I use, so I'm sure it's good!
https://jamesbonfieldrecipes.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/elderberry-gin/

& you don’t have to lecture me on the young & vulnerable, I see them on the streets of London & Brighton all the time. Young vulnerable people born in this country, people already here who desperately need help, but guess what? we haven’t got the money. So yeah, let’s bring another load of vulnerable people into the country just to make things worse.

Thanks prettybird I can actually do crumbles but that gin thing looks yummy. Will have a go tomorrow.

Still think we all want the same things, and these conflicts are ones we can sort out ourselves........ here in britain. And that we have enough spare humanity to help others. I look at the Greeks in awe. 1 m refugees since 2015 and a population of 11m, and they are skint as can be, and as generous as ever.

But the UK DOES have the money. It is proposing to spend umpteen Billion on a new railway line simply for some commuters to be able to live further from London (or get there half an hour quicker). Improving infrastructure and job prospects outside of London and the south East would be far better.
If you visit a country where people are truly poor you can often witness greater humanity. If you are a guest in a small village in Africa where there is very little food, you will be expected to eat a significant part of the meagre amount they have, even though you know tomorrow they may have nothing to eat.

Greece would be a bit less skint if some of the big shipping companies paid the proper taxes, but this does not detract from their otherwise generous spirit.

Please tell me how things will get better staying in the EU? I don’t want to hear all the guessing of things getting worse. Nobody knows either way. I want remainers to tell me how we get a better life for all because at the moment we are in managed decline. Products are rationed. Globalization is gobbling us up. Capitalism is not working. Rich getting richer. If there was another vote I wouldn’t know which way to go.

Try being type 1 diabetic, we're all insulin dependant ffs. Hardly fun and frolics when you're going to die without it. Twats!

And no believing in anything is going to stop us going into a DKA, you ill informed fucking idiots!

@AnnabelC - you think we are in a managed decline rather than, say, an economic dip. Why is it better to lurch into free fall by leaving rather than staying part of a free trade bloc with massive negotiating power. Our imminent departure from the EU did not stop Japan doing a trade deal with the EU. Maybe we do need the EU more than it needs us. Can't see Japan striking that kind of deal with us any time soon.

I don’t want to hear all the guessing of things getting worse. Nobody knows either way

Ffs

And that, Surfer, is one of the themes of The Jungle - but interestingly there are other ways in which young men have to act to keep their mothers safe. Preconceptions again.

Globalization is gobbling us up. Capitalism is not working. Rich getting richer.
But we voted to leave the EU not capitalism! If we leave a trading bloc and have to negotiate all new deals with bigger more powerful countries, we will be more exposed to the influences of globalisation not less! A vote to leave was not a vote to turn back the clock 50 years - at least not in the way you seem to be implying.

nobody knows either way
LOL
We already know it's a disaster, no uncertainty whatsoever about that. If you don't like your life now, I dread to think how you'll feel next year or the year after.

The pound is now only 1.107 against the Euro. It's horrendously low. Back in 2015 it was 1.40.
Really bad news for a country that relies so much on IMPORTS.

nobody knows either way

If that really really really was true, then you are as free as anybody else on the internet to come up with any fantastical fairytale scenario that you fancy and be confident that it has equal validity and likelihood as any other scenario.

Why request assistance from, as you apparently see it, a bunch of moaning minnies of an opposing view to yours?

But we voted to leave the EU not capitalism

And, if anything, we will end up with a much more aggressive form of capitalism after we leave the EU.

The thing is we the UK have to find a way to get out of the EU the best way we can.
We can't stay that's a decision made 2 years ago.
It's not a question of stay or go. That ship sailed on the 23/6/16.
How do we make it work that's the question.
The way we argue here is the way MP's argue in Westminster.
How do we stop? We have to stop thinking that another referendum may happen or that the EU will make it easy for us.

The thing is we the UK have to find a way to get out of the EU the best way we can.

Shame Leavers didn't think of that from day 1.

Because they didn't it does mean 'staying' is still an option, simply because 'leaving' isn't feasible

But what does "leaving the EU" actually mean? There are so many possibilities, and every person who voted to leave has a different idea.

@Ihatemycar I'm not thinking about another referendum. We are leaving . With all the shit that will follow. My priority is my family. The rest can go to hell. I prep (and apply for an Irish passport). If my neighbours can be useful to me, I will help them. Otherwise, no. As for giving a shit about people in poverty? That ended when they voted Leave.

The reason I said nobody knows what is going to happen, is because we are still negotiating. There could be a good deal to be had. Also our governments have been hiding behind the EU blaming them for things and now we see our government for what they are. Incompetent.

I asked a valid question but nobody has come up with anything. The red mist seems get to people. I am worried about my children either way. Not me and I will help them as much as I can.

We are all blaming each other. When I didn’t know how anyone else would vote except my husband. We should be blaming the governments we have had and voting accordingly.

It’s too aggressive here.

@AnnabelC - nobody came up with anything you liked. Not the same thing.

I understood what I voted for. Leave the EU. I can't wait to prove you wrong. We are better out than in.

Oh but now you want us to tell you how?

Okayyyyy.

I have to say I am staggered at the shit brexiteers are still coming out with on these threads.

It’s not that they are stupid- stupid is fine- it’s that they have no idea how fucking stupid they are AND what they have done.

@surferjet

Yes this country does not have huge amounts of money, but with Brexit we are going to have even less. Immigrants to this country are net contributors to the exchequer they pay more in taxes than they receive in welfare and services.

Don't you see that Brexit is going to impact the worst on the poor and vulnerable in this country?