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Brexit

Remainders always start anti Brexit threads.

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Ihatemycar · 21/08/2018 21:15

I've been reading Brexit threads and it's always the same people talking about how unhappy they are about Brexit.
I guess Brexit leave voters have no time to waste on forums.

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Mistigri · 22/08/2018 07:36

we have believing in Britain to see us through.

This is a parody thread surely?

I don't think the OP is being serious.

Hazardswan · 22/08/2018 07:38

Is being a leaver like following a very strict religion cult?

Bearbehind · 22/08/2018 07:41

I don't think the OP is being serious.

Unfortunately she is being deadly serious

ProseccoPoppy · 22/08/2018 07:43

OK, OP. I am pretty eurosceptic. There are aspects of the EU that worry me, particularly around governance, loss of sovereignty in specific legislative areas and over-enmeshment of the economies of countries within the single currancy.

However, after some pretty extensive reading and research I came to the clear conclusion that IMO remaining was the best choice for the UK, by a considerable margin. So I voted remain. I am genuinely interested in what (in terms of actual facts rather than a “belief”) could bring someone to the opposite conclusion - would you be able to enlighten me there?

Ignoring the rhetoric around it, Brexit is going to cause some major trade issues. Focussing purely on trade (ignoring for the moment the major concerns about security, borders, FMP etc):

The EU is a major trading partner so to trade with the EU the UK will need to comply with the vast majority of the same standards. We are a small country wanting to trade with a larger “bloc” so we’ll need to comply with the standards they set (for their own products - I’m not suggesting we’d be held to a different standard). Standards which we won’t be able to help shape or set any more. That doesn’t make good business sense at all. Plus, potentially, tariffs. Why should they trade tariff free with us? Either we will end up paying in to the EU (without a say/rebate/seat at the table) or we will end up with negotiated tariffs. Both poor options.

You’ll say “but we’ll be fine trading on WTO rules. We can trade elsewhere.” The problem is though OP, comparisons with WTO rule trading are not that helpful as we don’t actually have our own schedule. We use the EU one (which is pretty good). The majority of WTO rule economic models are based on our continuing to use that schedule, which we do not have an automatic right to do. Negotiating our own schedule is likely to result in a far less favourable regime (see above re small country/limited clout).

Or is there an excellent option that I have missed?

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 22/08/2018 07:44

They been trading under WTO rules for years. No they haven't. All British companies trade in accordance with EU rules and trade agreements because we are members of the EU.

And literally no country in the world trades solely on WTO rules. They make free trade agreements and form trade blocs like the EU's Single Market because are more efficient and mutually beneficial than WTO rules.

And out of interest, who elects the WTO, and why are its bureaucrats superior to, say, EU bureaucrats?

ShackUp · 22/08/2018 07:48

Great post poppy

GingerPCatt · 22/08/2018 07:49

A better question may be why aren’t leavers starting more pro-brexit threads.

bellinisurge · 22/08/2018 07:52

@GingerPCatt - I agree.

bellinisurge · 22/08/2018 07:54

I think the answer is , to quote Corporal Jones in "Dad's Army, "they don't like it up 'em".

TheElementsSong · 22/08/2018 08:21

OP starts thread about Brexit to complain about others starting threads about Brexit Confused

lljkk · 22/08/2018 08:26

Does OP expect Remainers to start PRO-Brexit threads? Why would I do that? Confused

I have a trade question, actually, will ask in a moment (different thread)

Ihatemycar · 22/08/2018 08:36

When I started this thread I knew what was going to happen. I was going to get called all sorts and the abuse started immediately.
I wanted to prove a point.
People that voted to stay can't see beyond the EU.
We lived in the Brussels, France, Spain and Portugal for years. We can actually speak French and Spanish like natives.
How many of you actually can say that you have lived in continental Europe?
If you want to stay in the EU go and live there. Experience the utopia for yourselves.
It's completely naive to think that we are who we are because of the EU.
We indeed we the sick man of Europe because we liberate them. We didn't even get a thank you or help to rebuild.

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woman11017 · 22/08/2018 08:46

I live in England therefore I live in the EU, already. Brexit is not a done deal, remember. Smile

borntobequiet · 22/08/2018 08:48

We indeed we the sick man of Europe because we liberate them. We didn't even get a thank you or help to rebuild.
What does this mean? Not to mention the rest of the post

MaisyPops · 22/08/2018 08:50

Brexiters now saying 'eeeh remainers need to shut up. Why do they keep going on about it?'
There was a referendum on EU membership and brexiters and UKIP spent 20 years trying to get out.

#ironyclaxon

prettybird · 22/08/2018 08:50

Read up on Marshall Aid and find out who was by far the biggest beneficiary Hmm (Spoiler alert: it wasn't France or Germany who produced and followed through on plans to rebuild their infrastructure; the largest recipient wasted used to it to try to hold on to its disappearing Empire).

FWIW: I've lived and worked in both France and Switzerland, speak French (have a joint Economics/French degree), and have many close relatives in Germany and Denmark (although to my shame and despite my surname , don't speak either Danish or German). Not sure what that's got to do with the topic though Confused - people can still believe in the principles of the EU (and understand both the economic and historical reasons behind it) without having worked or lived on the continent. Smile

Theworldisfullofgs · 22/08/2018 08:56

It won't be that easy to move to the EU in future as freedom of movement will be gone. So your glib...Just move there isn't possible.
I'm 48 with two kids, one who is just starting sixth form. It's not that easy to just move.
But don't worry I imagine my kids will emigrate...
Brain drain anyone?

MotherofPearl · 22/08/2018 08:59

OP, if with your 'we helped to liberate them' comments you're referring to WWII, you really need to brush up on your history. Much of the liberating in the last stages of the war was in fact done by the Soviet Union.

This rhetoric about Britain nearly single handedly winning WWII is national myth-making.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 22/08/2018 09:02

Ever heard of the Marshall Plan OP?

TheElementsSong · 22/08/2018 09:12

I think all but the most vacuous positivity and enthusiastic agreement in posters' responses will simply be categorised as "abuse" and "attacks."

Bearbehind · 22/08/2018 09:13

When I started this thread I knew what was going to happen. I was going to get called all sorts and the abuse started immediately. I wanted to prove a point.

The only point it is proving is you are being a GF.

ProseccoPoppy · 22/08/2018 09:17

“People that voted to stay can't see beyond the EU“

Op in my post I specifically addressed the WTO issue (which, given your apparent focus on trade, is something I expected you to be interested in). Care to respond on that? I am genuinely open to a debate on this and also open to reading up if you have sources that you think support your position. As I said, pretty eurosceptic but still not seeing the benefit of Brexit.

bellinisurge · 22/08/2018 09:17

I speak several languages, op, and have lived abroad loads. Fuck of with your "go and live on continental Europe " shit.
I want to live as part of one of the largest free trade zones in the world. I want to be in a bulwark of liberal democracy against US and Russian bossiness.
And now I won't.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 22/08/2018 09:22

You haven't responded to my post about the WTO either. Plenty of information out there about why it's a catastrophic fantasy, including from some fervent Brexiteers.

Ihatemycar · 22/08/2018 09:26

@bellinisurge I pity you. The dream will be over. The utopia only a dream.

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