Remainders always start anti Brexit threads.

[Ihatemycar]

I've been reading Brexit threads and it's always the same people talking about how unhappy they are about Brexit.
I guess Brexit leave voters have no time to waste on forums.

Ah ok, I get it. You don't belive in "experts". The overwhelming majority of experts believe it will be a disaster but you are waiting to see that happen. Personally I think it is extremely arrogant to gamble on a country's future in that way. If it's going to be so much of a "disaster" how is that attitude going to help? How can ANY attitude help? We seem to be in the realms of magical thinking.

Today the head of the WTO warned on disruption to the UK of a no-deal Brexit.

www.ft.com/content/4f0ea43e-a77e-11e8-926a-7342fe5e173f

So even the WTO is telling us it's going to be a disaster.

BTW, I am not gleeful. I am angry.

There are a wealth of conflicting views on the impact. And since no one has yet unearthed a crystal ball it's not certain what will happen anyway.

“It sounds as if you are gleefully expecting chaos so that you can sit back, cross your arms and say I told you so. If it's going to be so much of a "disaster" how is that attitude going to help?”

This point really pisses me off. No, I don’t want chaos. I live here. My children live here. I want it to be wonderful and for me to be wronger than a wrong thing. I want leavers to be doing maypole dances round me as everything the experts predict doesn’t happen. But nobody can explain to me how this will happen. And if you can tell me what I can do, what attitude I can have, that will help, please do- I will do it immediately.

There are a wealth of conflicting views on the impact.

Ask yourself the following questions about the main Leave proponents:

• Who is happy if we leave?
• Why would they be happy?
• Do they have vested interests in breaking up the EU?
• Are they covering their own backs by getting out foreign citizenship/moving funds offshore?

Twelve pages I've read, twelve, twelve, TWELVE. I have persevered in the hope that the OP and her Brexit sidekicks could give some reasonable explanations of how we will be better off, and by that I mean actual reasons and not the utter bilge water they spout repeatedly.

Did I get my wish? Did I fuck, I read TWELVE pages of eloquent posts from Remoaners (yes I'm proud to be a remoaner) and rose tinted, can't floss covered drivel from the OP.

For the love of god, before I have to go and get another custard doughnut to keep my energy up. Answer the fecking question that has been asked about a million times, in what way will we be better off as a result of Brexit. Bullet points will be fine, no need for detailed explanations waffling

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There are a wealth of conflicting views on the impact.

Not all views are backed up by the facts. You need to employ some critical reasoning here.

There are a wealth of conflicting views on the impact

Yes there are but none of them are positive, have you read any of them? The expected outcomes of Brexit range from slightly bad but manageable to Oh, Jesus fuck, what have we done? Call the army.

I mean, if I'm wrong, and you've found a credible news articles telling you unicorns are moving to Britain the day after Brexit and will give as all a pot of gold and a shiny new job, please do link it, so I can stop panicking.

Ah Bertrand you sound really quite nice. You just need to remember that far worse things have happened and will happen again. The best recipe for success is freedom, free markets have raised more people out of poverty around the world than any other mechanism. We are taking more freedom and this, in my humble opinion is a good thing.

You're just taking the piss now, aren't you crabby?

While not a 'law' the EU regional regeneration fund uses some of the money that the UK sends it, to help poorer parts of the UK, something that Westminster SHOULD do but doesn't. Devon, Wales, the North East etc.
The EU is a 'rules based' system and they are all presented on the internet in a handy 27 or more languages. I am not sure if the originators of individual 'laws' get credits but ultimately each 'law' is approved by every member state although some have opt outs or vetoes, mutually agreed. The UK does not use the Euro for example.
As far as I remember an unelected 'committee' come up with proposed new laws or amendments which are then presented to the MEPs who represent all the individual countries. They then discuss and hammer out the proposals then if they agree they vote and it is passed. It is then down to the individual countries to enforce the new laws. The German police for example do not have any direct jurisdiction outside Germany although may call on relevant states to 'assist' with cross border issues.

See- that’s the sort of bullshit leavers have been saying for two years. All vague “it’ll all be wonderful” stuff. It's so FRUSTRATING!

Ah Bertrand you sound really quite nice. You just need to remember that far worse things have happened and will happen again

What has happened that is worse that we have actually done on purpose?

The best recipe for success is freedom, free markets have raised more people out of poverty around the world than any other mechanism.

Oh I didn't realise you were an economist. Can you please back up this extravagant claim with some proof?

We are taking more freedom
How exactly are we having more freedom? You do realise that we will have to negotiate new trading terms as a very small country against the biggest economies in the world. I can't see that leading to a whole load of freedom somehow...

1itis trust me I've been buying British for years nothing European not wine, cheese nothing.
I have a German car from work not my choice.
I do not holidays in Europe either. I visit my mother in America.
I wanted to stay in the EU when Cameron tried to negotiate when they basically told him to F Off. I was done.

Yep, talking vaguely and enthusiastically about "free markets" while making it abundantly clear they have no idea what free markets or free trade deals actually are, then in the next breath trashing the world's biggest free trade zone. Incredible.

when Cameron tried to negotiate when they basically told him to F Off
That deal that he negotiated with Donald Tusk is still on a table somewhere. It is a much better option for us than leaving the EU.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105

See- that’s the sort of bullshit leavers have been saying for two years. All vague “it’ll all be wonderful” stuff. It's so FRUSTRATING!

Yes. This. Times a million.

I've long suspected they've read too many positivity self-help books and their plan is to ask to the universe to grant us a good Brexit, using wish boards and visualization techniques. Naturally without the big, bad EU casting negativity on us and forcing us to be 'realistic' the universe will align with us and it will all be fantastic.

It worked for Noel Edmunds, it can work for the UK!

docs.dpaq.de/10395-0216-euco-conclusions.pdf

when Cameron tried to negotiate when they basically told him to F Off

I think someone's been reading too much DM. Have you actually looked at what he negotiated? It wasn't perfect but my goodness it was a billion times better than what we have now!

Many years ago there was an 'I'm backing Britain' campaign to try and boost the British economy. Unfortunately while this was going on principally Tories were selling out to whoever would give them the most money.
If Ihate you really have been buying only British produce your shopping trips must be quite a challenge.
The EU did not tell Mr Cameron to 'F off', in fact he succeeded in getting about 3/4 of what he went for which was a deal better than many others in the EU. Unfortunately the headbangers claimed it wasn't enough so trashed his achievements and caused the Tory party row leading to the vote and Brexit fiasco.

All right then. I've put forward my thoughts, particularly around democracy. Some people accept that, some don't, that's fine. The majority have spoken so that's really the end of it.

@Ihate, If your German car is no good, what car would you like that would make you happy?

Thecrabbypatty, can you say, specifically, with examples, what you mean by “we are taking more freedom”?

Just out of curiosity crabby, if you checked the temperature one day in July and it was 32C for the majority of the day, would you say for always and forever more that the average temperature in the UK is 32C?