Remainders always start anti Brexit threads.

[Ihatemycar]

I've been reading Brexit threads and it's always the same people talking about how unhappy they are about Brexit.
I guess Brexit leave voters have no time to waste on forums.

Without the EU working time directives employers will be able to increase hours or decrease pay. There will be fewer rules and regulations with regard to safety, unless the UK Gov keeps the current EU rulings but that wouldn't be a 'change' and 'freedom'.
As a leaver, apart from fewer EU nationals working in the UK what do you expect to see on 'Brexit day'? What will ACTUALLY be different in your day to day life?

I think freedom to create laws in the best interest of a country without the agreement of 27 others who have no vested interest in how your country works is a good start.

I think freedom to create laws in the best interest of a country without the agreement of 27 others who have no vested interest in how your country works is a good start.

You seem to have no grasp of how laws are passed.

What EU laws do you disagree with?

And do you realize we could (and did) veto anything we were not able to implement?

What law in the UK's best interest have we not been able to pass because of our role in the EU? And is trashing our membership of the world's biggest free trade zone, trashing our economy, and having even the WTO telling us that we're creating a disaster for ourselves worth that law?

'Freedom to create laws' - what the hell do you think Parliament does ???

Imagine, crashing your economy because you didn't realise we always had a veto. That's almost Shakespearean tragedy, that.

Whoah, I can hear the mouth frothing from here!! For me it's about democracy and freedom. Hey don't take my word for it, have a chat with any of your Italian, Greek or Spanish chums living in their countries of birth and see how they feel about the EU.

Hey don't take my word for it, have a chat with any of your Italian, Greek or Spanish chums living in their countries of birth and see how they feel about the EU.

I live in Italy. Most of my friends think Brexit is absolutely ridiculous. They also can't understand how it is possible that my rights have been taken away but I didn't have a vote - this would be unconstitutional in Italy, but I expect that's just droning on about ideology to you.

For me it's about democracy and freedom.
How about actually answering the questions posed by Frequency then:
What EU laws do you disagree with?

And do you realize we could (and did) veto anything we were not able to implement?

You don't need a crystal ball to know that if you stand in the middle lane of a busy motorway, the probability is extremely high that you will be killed.

Pesky Experts will tell you that it is dangerous, that you might be killed. That there are rules about no pedestrians on motorways

But of course, if you want to believe that they are exaggerating and that the traffic will accept that you have unilaterally agreed that the middle lane should now be a pedestrian one and/or that the law makers are most unreasonable not to allow you to stand there and to make it safe for you to do so, go right ahead If you survive, you can say, "I told you so, it was fine " If you don't, well.....I suppose you (or rather your heirs) could always try claiming that you weren't warned or that the cars had deliberately run you over out of spite or the rules about no pedestrians on motorways should have been clearer

And you do know that the UK isn't the largest contributor to the EU, don't you? A large one, I'll grant you, given the size of its population and its GDP, but not the largest. It will be missed only in as much as it contributes to the fixed overheads (which, compared to our own government and Civil Service are very low). But it is actually only 8th or 9th in terms of GDP per capita

select-statistics.co.uk/blog/much-eu-cost-uk

“I think freedom to create laws in the best interest of a country without the agreement of 27 others who have no vested interest in how your country works is a good start.”

So what laws would you like to see passed that we couldn’t have as a member of the EU, and what laws do we have now that you disagree with?

@Thecrabbypatty

...have a chat with any of your Italian, Greek or Spanish chums living in their countries of birth and see how they feel about the EU.

Two thirds of Europeans believe their country has benefited from being a member of the EU, the highest percentage since 1983 and an increase of three percentage points since the autumn.

In addition 60% of Europeans consider EU membership a good thing, according to the latest Eurobarometer published on Wednesday 23 May.
www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/eu-affairs/20180522STO04020/eurobarometer-survey-highest-support-for-the-eu-in-35-years

Well a solution to the migration crisis is kind of a big one that more than a few countries would like hammered fairly urgently..?

So what laws etc etc.......?

I live in Spain and anyone I talk to, from all sides of the political sectrum thinks Brexit is utter utter madness.

1tis a McLaren would be great.

Alright Bertrand let's flip this, I've answered your questions and given examples. You tell me some of the 98% of laws that have been passed that we agreed to that have benefited the UK directly. I've already asked this and received an unsatisfactory response.

The EU provides stability and peace, which for 500 million people at say £200 a head is a price well worth paying.
No two people are totally in agreement so it is natural that there are some tensions across the EU but the vast majority are happy with the way things happen and many quietly 'ignore' some of the laws that are in force.

I think I must have missed your examples.

Well, i’m pretty happy with all the legislation about employment rights and food safety and health and safety. I am a big fan of EHIC.

That's lovely bertrand but they are not laws that could not just be implemented without the EU.

Ihate
OK fair choice. Can you ask for one when you go into work next?
How do they handle on potholes though?
The EU is already working on the immigration problem. Partly by finding ways of dissuading 'refugees' from North Africa from attempting a crossing of the Med and by discussing the setting up of suitable camps/centres in the most affected countries.
Of course getting some stability and safety in the countries where they come from would be ideal but that is tackling a war zone where 'negotiations' are obviously tricky. Some of the EU contribution is going into this work, not just (allegedly but probably untrue) legislating against 'curvey bananas'.

You just need to remember that far worse things have happened and will happen again.

And we’re back to “Brexit is better than the Black Death”.

trust me I've been buying British for years nothing European not wine, cheese nothing.

Wow. That must have cost you a fortune, what with having lived in 14 different countries both within and outwith Europe.

We were in Greece when they were going through their own referendum about the terms of their emergency bailout. While they weren't happy (especially as they couldn't access their own money in their bank accounts ), the majority of their anger was directed towards the economic mismanagement of by the country by the Greek government(s) - and to a certain extent towards themselves as they acknowledged their own propensity to avoid taxes. I didn't talk to a single one who wanted to leave the EU.

And Greece has now, finally, managed to exit the 3 year emergency eurozone loan programme and borrow at market rates again. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45243088

“That's lovely bertrand but they are not laws that could not just be implemented without the EU.”

I know.

What laws do you want that can’t be implemented with the EU

With the exception of EHIC which is a good system but countries outside the EU also have separate reciprocal agreements with the UK in regards to health care. The New Zealand health care system saved my life for free whilst I lived there. But everything outside those agreements was paid for partly by you and partly by your employer.