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Brexit

An open letter to leavers

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 12:54

Dear Leavers

I’m sorry that David Cameron offered us a referendum and promised to respect the outcome, whatever it was.

Unfortunately, he was fucking with you.

He promised that referendum when he didn’t think he stood a cat’s chance in hell of getting a majority, and never thought he’d actually have to deliver on it. When he got his surprise majority, he made a big show of going to Brussels and pretending to negotiate with the EU to get us a “better deal”. Unfortunately, he already knew perfectly well that the UK already had a better deal than any other country in the EU, and that they were not going to bend over backwards to get us to stay. So he made a big show of negotiating and then tried to pretend that he had done something meaningful. He then went through the motions of holding a referendum, half-heartedly campaigning to remain. He did absolutely no contingency planning, partly because he never believed that leave would actually win, and partly because he already knew that he had no intention of staying to deal with the fallout if they did. That’s why he resigned the day after the referendum and waltzed off, whistling a merry tune.

He played a high risk game of poker with our money, and lost.

I understand that many of you feel defensive about your decision and dislike being labelled “thick” by angry remainers. As a remainer myself, I feel saddened and frustrated that none of you seem able to articulate any benefits that will actually come out of Brexit. But at this stage, I would quite happily accept that there will be no benefits, and settle for damage limitation. Unfortunately none of you seem able to explain how we limit the damage either.

We cannot leave the single market and customs union without there being a hard border in Ireland, which will put people’s lives at risk. We cannot leave the single market and customs union without severely damaging most sectors of the economy, which would cause untold hardship for millions of people living in the UK. I realise that remaining in the single market and customs union would make leaving the EU pointless, but it is the only way to limit the damage.

The government has made almost no progress towards getting a workable deal in place, and time is running out. We don’t have the infrastructure in place to ensure that supply chains of essential food and medicine will not be disrupted after Brexit day. We don’t have a plan to ensure that planes will still be able to take off and land, or that satnav will still work. We do not have any trade deals lined up. We simply do not have time to do any of these things.

Dear leavers, you do not have solutions to any of these problems, and more importantly, neither do Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Andrea Leadsom, Daniel Hannan, Jeremy Corbyn, Kate Hoey or any of the people who claim to think Brexit is the right choice for the UK.

A no-deal Brexit is unthinkable. It is not an option.

I realise that many of you will feel betrayed if we do not get the kind of Brexit you want. But to be honest, you’re going to feel betrayed even if you do get the kind of Brexit you want, because it will be unimaginably shit. This is not "project fear", it is "project reality".

The government has a duty to act in the best interests of the country as a whole. It’s not good enough to lay the blame at David Cameron’s door and say he held the referendum so we have to respect the vote. David Cameron has been out of office for two years. It is now plainer than ever that leaving the EU is a terrible idea, and there is still time to put the brakes on and not go through with it. If the government goes through with this when they could put a stop to it, they cannot continue to blame David Cameron and claim that their hands were tied. They are not.

It is time for Theresa May to do the decent thing and say, “I’m sorry, I know it’s what the people voted for, but it simply can’t be done without causing a totally unacceptable amount of harm to the country. And I have a duty of care towards everyone, not just the 51.8% who voted leave.”

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Rosstac · 02/08/2018 21:06

Cheeseislife I think anybody with a brain could see with or without Brexit house prices can not continue to rise without high wage rises, with an unlimited supply of labour that's not going to happen

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 21:06

no, because we would to have FOM in the SM & CU

So you are, in fact, advocating that we hold the whole of Northern Ireland to ransom because you and an unknown number of other leave voters think free movement is unacceptable.

Good to know.

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Rosstac · 02/08/2018 21:08

Bearbehind do you honestly believe she would be that stupid, especially with her dealings with ECJ

Rosstac · 02/08/2018 21:09

LoveInTokyo and you think the whole of NI situation should hold the rest of the UK to ransom ?

Bearbehind · 02/08/2018 21:10

What do you mean 'believe she'd be that stupid'?

I'm constantly astounded by her stupidity (or arrogance)

The fact is we cannot leave the SM/CU without destroying our economy.

The ultimate stupidity would be to ignore that fact.

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 21:11

Bearbehind do you honestly believe she would be that stupid, especially with her dealings with ECJ

Be so stupid as to do what?

Concede she is wrong?

She is wrong. She can't get what she wants. So she will have to settle for something else, and be answerable to the entire country for it.

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 21:14

and you think the whole of NI situation should hold the rest of the UK to ransom

Yes. I think that the peace and safety of people in Northern Ireland is more important than leaving the single market and customs union for no good reason when no one can prove a majority is in favour of it and it will wreck our economy anyway.

Especially since we created the whole shitty situation in Northern Ireland in the first place.

Brexit is British imperialism coming back to bite us all on the arse, in so many ways.

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Rosstac · 02/08/2018 21:14

LoveInTokyo we don't know she is wrong yet, its not over, after all she is representing the will of the people,

JWIM · 02/08/2018 21:16

She may be representing the will of some of the people but that does not, of itself, make TM right.

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 21:18

LoveInTokyo we don't know she is wrong yet, its not over, after all she is representing the will of the people

But we DO know she is wrong!

We have a choice between soft Brexit and hard Brexit, which necessarily involves a hard border in Ireland, which she said she wouldn't do. But soft Brexit means FOM and CJEU jurisdiction and various other things she said she wouldn't do.

So something has got to give.

She was wrong to think she could, as a PP said, "stamp her kitten heels" and get the EU to rewrite the entire rule book just for us.

The "will of the people" is completely fucking irrelevant when the people effectively voted for unicorns. The people can't have unicorns because unicorns don't bloody well exist, so the people are going to have to put their big pants on and suck it up.

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Cobblersandhogwash · 02/08/2018 21:19

@surferjet, would you mind telling me how exactly our membership of the EU negatively impacted your life?

I wish I could be glad for you and your delight in our leaving the EU. It think it an odd stance to take when we've gone from being told we can expect the land of milk and honey to survival, adequate food and just managing.

I think the costs of Brexit are so very high and ultimately, leaving is pointless. We already trade with the rest of the world via the EU.

We were the 5th largest economy and doing very well. I think we should have relished being part of such a trade bloc, making rules and regs together. Britain has always flourished as part of something bigger.

Rosstac · 02/08/2018 21:21

LoveInTokyo There is a good reason ( FOM) like everything Brexit related we do not know for definite what will happen yet, NI might not go back to the way it was before generations have changed and people have a more peaceful life, I think people are getting fed up with remainers who never carried or worried about the border using it as the stick trying to break Brexit,

PestymcPestFace · 02/08/2018 21:22

you think the whole of NI situation should hold the rest of the UK to ransom ? YES, what is your suggestion? Have them put humanly to sleep?

Bearbehind · 02/08/2018 21:22

we don't know she is wrong yet, its not over, after all she is representing the will of the people

That comment would be funny if this wasn't so serious.

We do know she is wrong.

On account of the fact there's not a single leaver who can point to a benefit of Brexit which is worth the price.

The will of the people is a slogan that will haunt us for a long long time.

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 21:25

There is a good reason ( FOM) like everything Brexit related we do not know for definite what will happen yet, NI might not go back to the way it was before generations have changed and people have a more peaceful life, I think people are getting fed up with remainers who never carried or worried about the border using it as the stick trying to break Brexit

We have a pretty good idea what will happen in various Brexit scenarios because they are the inevitable consequence of certain things happening.

Speak for yourself about people not caring or worrying about the border. I cared and worried about it before the referendum. The leavers fucking well didn't, and still don't.

They don't care if people die in Northern Ireland, as long as we can "control our borders" except the one in Northern Ireland because you're happy to leave Ireland and the EU to decide whether they want to put one up or not, even though not putting one up would break every current and potental future trade agreement going.

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Cobblersandhogwash · 02/08/2018 21:25

@rosstac "I think people are getting fed up with remainers who never carried or worried about the border using it as the stick trying to break Brexit,"

Oh for goodness sake. This is a pathetic rationale. Really pathetic.

Remainers have spent the last 2+ years pointing out the hazards associated with leaving. And all you can say is we're using NI border issue as a stick to break Brexit when you and your lot have had 40+ years of bitching about the EU and have zero plans and solutions. Zero.

When you do have a plan, please feel free to start criticising other people.

But right now, Leavers should be really embarrassed that they have no plan.

Rosstac · 02/08/2018 21:28

LoveInTokyo I must have missed the part about unicorns before the referendum and i didn't see it on the vote paper, obviously another remainer sound bite, Or perhaps you are going to have to suck it up when we leave.
I don't know why you are wasting your time on this small forum, knowing as much as you do why don't you put your skills to standing for a party and doing a better job than the existing MP's,

Snog · 02/08/2018 21:30

Personally I don't think people voted to leave the EU so much as expressed a MAJOR dissatisfaction with the status quo and current political system.

Ditto America and Trump.

It's not really about the EU, it's much bigger than that.

PestymcPestFace · 02/08/2018 21:31

Rosstac the bit with the unicorns was on the info sheet, just under the bits about Ireland and the GFA, Oh you missed that too.
Honestly is reading the voting card the only research you did?

Rosstac · 02/08/2018 21:32

Cobblersandhogwash ive told you my plan earlier, we will noy put up a border, let the EU if they want to, or they can report us to the wto, the time that will take 2-4 years, how knows what will have happened, if it gets to that stage then the EU and the UK have let Ireland down

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 21:32

I must have missed the part about unicorns before the referendum and i didn't see it on the vote paper, obviously another remainer sound bite, Or perhaps you are going to have to suck it up when we leave. I don't know why you are wasting your time on this small forum, knowing as much as you do why don't you put your skills to standing for a party and doing a better job than the existing MP's

I used to work for the government, before I left the UK in disgust.

I can't stand as an MP because I don't live in the UK anymore and I have no intention of coming back unless and until this mess gets sorted.

Jacob Rees-Mogg reckons it'll be 50 years before we see any benefits from Brexit. I'll be 83 by then. I can't afford to wait that long, and neither can anyone else, not even my friend's baby who was born last week.

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 21:33

ive told you my plan earlier, we will noy put up a border, let the EU if they want to, or they can report us to the wto, the time that will take 2-4 years, how knows what will have happened, if it gets to that stage then the EU and the UK have let Ireland down

Your "plan" doesn't fucking well work.

Just like all the other Brexidiot plans.

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PestymcPestFace · 02/08/2018 21:35

Can't argue with stupid.

Rosstac · 02/08/2018 21:35

PestymcPestFace on the card I just remember stay or leave, I must have missed the bit where its up to the public to do the elected governments work for them, now if they want to pay me a minister and MP salary ill gladly help out, cant do much worse can i.

surferjet · 02/08/2018 21:36

Cobblersandhogwash
Will reply to you tomorrow - < watching our Shirley Valentine summer >