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Brexit

An open letter to leavers

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 12:54

Dear Leavers

I’m sorry that David Cameron offered us a referendum and promised to respect the outcome, whatever it was.

Unfortunately, he was fucking with you.

He promised that referendum when he didn’t think he stood a cat’s chance in hell of getting a majority, and never thought he’d actually have to deliver on it. When he got his surprise majority, he made a big show of going to Brussels and pretending to negotiate with the EU to get us a “better deal”. Unfortunately, he already knew perfectly well that the UK already had a better deal than any other country in the EU, and that they were not going to bend over backwards to get us to stay. So he made a big show of negotiating and then tried to pretend that he had done something meaningful. He then went through the motions of holding a referendum, half-heartedly campaigning to remain. He did absolutely no contingency planning, partly because he never believed that leave would actually win, and partly because he already knew that he had no intention of staying to deal with the fallout if they did. That’s why he resigned the day after the referendum and waltzed off, whistling a merry tune.

He played a high risk game of poker with our money, and lost.

I understand that many of you feel defensive about your decision and dislike being labelled “thick” by angry remainers. As a remainer myself, I feel saddened and frustrated that none of you seem able to articulate any benefits that will actually come out of Brexit. But at this stage, I would quite happily accept that there will be no benefits, and settle for damage limitation. Unfortunately none of you seem able to explain how we limit the damage either.

We cannot leave the single market and customs union without there being a hard border in Ireland, which will put people’s lives at risk. We cannot leave the single market and customs union without severely damaging most sectors of the economy, which would cause untold hardship for millions of people living in the UK. I realise that remaining in the single market and customs union would make leaving the EU pointless, but it is the only way to limit the damage.

The government has made almost no progress towards getting a workable deal in place, and time is running out. We don’t have the infrastructure in place to ensure that supply chains of essential food and medicine will not be disrupted after Brexit day. We don’t have a plan to ensure that planes will still be able to take off and land, or that satnav will still work. We do not have any trade deals lined up. We simply do not have time to do any of these things.

Dear leavers, you do not have solutions to any of these problems, and more importantly, neither do Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Andrea Leadsom, Daniel Hannan, Jeremy Corbyn, Kate Hoey or any of the people who claim to think Brexit is the right choice for the UK.

A no-deal Brexit is unthinkable. It is not an option.

I realise that many of you will feel betrayed if we do not get the kind of Brexit you want. But to be honest, you’re going to feel betrayed even if you do get the kind of Brexit you want, because it will be unimaginably shit. This is not "project fear", it is "project reality".

The government has a duty to act in the best interests of the country as a whole. It’s not good enough to lay the blame at David Cameron’s door and say he held the referendum so we have to respect the vote. David Cameron has been out of office for two years. It is now plainer than ever that leaving the EU is a terrible idea, and there is still time to put the brakes on and not go through with it. If the government goes through with this when they could put a stop to it, they cannot continue to blame David Cameron and claim that their hands were tied. They are not.

It is time for Theresa May to do the decent thing and say, “I’m sorry, I know it’s what the people voted for, but it simply can’t be done without causing a totally unacceptable amount of harm to the country. And I have a duty of care towards everyone, not just the 51.8% who voted leave.”

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Bearbehind · 02/08/2018 20:16

Probably surfer

Because spoilt little rich folk like you have fucked it right up for everyone.

All because you don't like foreigners.

SusanWalker · 02/08/2018 20:16

You remainers - at least, those of you who live in the UK and have votes, the rest of you I don't care about - are the ones who have caused all the trouble by refusing to accept the largest vote ever cast in the UK for anything, in a referendum which was binding, politically and morally, despite the retrospective - and incorrect - decision of a few law lords that it wasn't legally binding. *

I don't have to accept anything. I have a right to my own opinions on what I believe to be a damaging process for our country. I didn't see Farage or Redwood getting behind our EU membership and keeping quiet for all those years.

But that's classic leavers logic. The whole thing is turning into a fiasco so it has to be the fault of some person who voted remain on a kindle somewhere in the UK. Not David Davis who was in charge of brexit for nearly two years and came up with jack shit. Or Boris who comes out with meaningless soundbites but no actual plan. Or all the people who have spent years wanting to leave but never bothered to wonder about what would happen to the Irish border.

And the referendum is not morally binding. Not after the release of the highly misleading ads during a three day break in the campaign, put in place because a politician had been killed by an alt right murderer.

SusanWalker · 02/08/2018 20:18

Oh and we've had cloud here all day today. Just because it's sunny where you are doesn't mean it is everywhere.

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 20:19

It wasn’t legally binding either, despite a PP’s bold assertion that the “Law Lords” got it wrong. Confused

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Theworldisfullofgs · 02/08/2018 20:21

I'm planning on moaning about Brexit for the foreseeable future. It's shit.

Gove is now suggesting a blind brexit. FFS.

It's crap crap crap. And what's even crapper nothing sensible is EVER suggested. You can't eat sovereignty btw .

Theworldisfullofgs · 02/08/2018 20:22

Particularly as we always had it (see the govt white paper).

PestymcPestFace · 02/08/2018 20:24

ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/infographic_on_the_eu_backstop_proposal.pdf A place to start research.

Thank you Louise you are the only leaver to explain things rationally.

Motheroffourdragons · 02/08/2018 20:24

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surferjet · 02/08/2018 20:26

I’m not intelligent & never say anything interesting, but I’m always honest, & I must admit I’m still a bit shocked leave won - even though I m happy about it.

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/08/2018 20:36

I’m not intelligent & never say anything interesting, but I’m always honest, & I must admit I’m still a bit shocked leave won - even though I m happy about it.

Sounds like a number of prominent politicians. Except for the honest part.

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 20:40
Grin
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Cheeseislife · 02/08/2018 20:47

All those complaining about negative equity due to house prices falling, serious question, did you actually think/hope that prices would stay as astonishingly high and you could just keep paying down your large mortgage for however many decades while however many millions of renters never get on the "housing ladder"? House prices in my area have gone up around 40% in the last 6 years, calling me selfish and short sighted for hoping for falls, isn't it just as selfish to want to maintain your own situation?

ragged · 02/08/2018 20:47

Must control our borders! Any but the Northern Irish one, that is.

Euroskeptics spent 35+ yrs moaning about Europe. I'm 50 so yeah, could be easily the rest of my life playing catchup when I moan about Brexit stupidity.

Baffling when Leavers blame Remainers for the Brexit negotiations going badly. Er... who is in charge? I don't see Nicki Morgan, Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke or David Cameron with any power. The people in charge are all committed to delivering Brexit too bad unicorn fairy dust doesn't exist.

bellinisurge · 02/08/2018 20:50

@Cheeseislife you'd better keep your Biscuit. You're going to need it.

Mishappening · 02/08/2018 20:51

I think it is unwise to assume that all leave voters did so for the same negative reasons; ditto remain voters.

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 20:54

Cheeseislife

As a non property owner myself (and would-have-been FTB a couple of years ago), I sympathise entirely with this point of view.

The only problem is, every time there is an economic crisis causing house prices to fall, it doesn't really help people get on the ladder. All it does is cause people who have recently stretched themselves to get on the ladder to become trapped in negative equity and potentially even lose their homes, whereas cash-rich investors get to sweep in like vultures and scoop up some bargains in a fire sale.

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Rosstac · 02/08/2018 20:57

Cheeseislife I remember being in the EU and having negative equity in the early 90's I don't remember anybody sorry or worried about me

Bearbehind · 02/08/2018 20:57

I'm not suggesting all Leavers voted for the same reasons, however, there is a distinct correlation between those who are still gobbing off / spouting slogans / waving flags and those who voted for immigration reasons or as a protest against things that had nothing to do with the EU.

I've no doubt the more pragmatic Leavers are probably as unhappy as Remainers.

Rosstac · 02/08/2018 20:58

LoveInTokyo no, because we would to have FOM in the SM & CU

sagasleathertrousers · 02/08/2018 20:59

I've been thinking similar for a while. I think Theresa could actually do something useful and valuable and take the hit for saying actually, I know you voted for this but it will destroy the country and ruin your lives and it can't be done. I doubt it's possible though.

Cheeseislife · 02/08/2018 21:03

@LoveInTokyo I agree that has been the case historically, but with stamp duty changes, tax on mortgaged landlords, and foreign money no longer looking for somewhere to hide ther wealth, who's going to swoop in now? The bottom has fallen out of the buy to let market and unless the government reverses s24 a lot of landlords won't do again what they did in 2007 and the late 90's.

Rosstac · 02/08/2018 21:03

its a bit late now for TM to stop Brexit, there is nothing new now that she wouldn't of been aware of two years ago, so why stop now, why go this far down the path and now turn around, it would be more stupid than having the vote in the first place

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 21:04

I agree that has been the case historically, but with stamp duty changes, tax on mortgaged landlords, and foreign money no longer looking for somewhere to hide ther wealth, who's going to swoop in now? The bottom has fallen out of the buy to let market and unless the government reverses s24 a lot of landlords won't do again what they did in 2007 and the late 90's.

I wouldn't be so sure that things will be any different this time. And the weak pound makes it even easier for foreign investors to pile in.

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Bearbehind · 02/08/2018 21:06

rosstac TM has been operating under the illusion she can stamp her kitten heels and get what she wants for the last 2 years.

The difference now is time has nearly run out and she's actually going to have to concede she's wrong.

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