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Brexit

An open letter to leavers

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 12:54

Dear Leavers

I’m sorry that David Cameron offered us a referendum and promised to respect the outcome, whatever it was.

Unfortunately, he was fucking with you.

He promised that referendum when he didn’t think he stood a cat’s chance in hell of getting a majority, and never thought he’d actually have to deliver on it. When he got his surprise majority, he made a big show of going to Brussels and pretending to negotiate with the EU to get us a “better deal”. Unfortunately, he already knew perfectly well that the UK already had a better deal than any other country in the EU, and that they were not going to bend over backwards to get us to stay. So he made a big show of negotiating and then tried to pretend that he had done something meaningful. He then went through the motions of holding a referendum, half-heartedly campaigning to remain. He did absolutely no contingency planning, partly because he never believed that leave would actually win, and partly because he already knew that he had no intention of staying to deal with the fallout if they did. That’s why he resigned the day after the referendum and waltzed off, whistling a merry tune.

He played a high risk game of poker with our money, and lost.

I understand that many of you feel defensive about your decision and dislike being labelled “thick” by angry remainers. As a remainer myself, I feel saddened and frustrated that none of you seem able to articulate any benefits that will actually come out of Brexit. But at this stage, I would quite happily accept that there will be no benefits, and settle for damage limitation. Unfortunately none of you seem able to explain how we limit the damage either.

We cannot leave the single market and customs union without there being a hard border in Ireland, which will put people’s lives at risk. We cannot leave the single market and customs union without severely damaging most sectors of the economy, which would cause untold hardship for millions of people living in the UK. I realise that remaining in the single market and customs union would make leaving the EU pointless, but it is the only way to limit the damage.

The government has made almost no progress towards getting a workable deal in place, and time is running out. We don’t have the infrastructure in place to ensure that supply chains of essential food and medicine will not be disrupted after Brexit day. We don’t have a plan to ensure that planes will still be able to take off and land, or that satnav will still work. We do not have any trade deals lined up. We simply do not have time to do any of these things.

Dear leavers, you do not have solutions to any of these problems, and more importantly, neither do Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Andrea Leadsom, Daniel Hannan, Jeremy Corbyn, Kate Hoey or any of the people who claim to think Brexit is the right choice for the UK.

A no-deal Brexit is unthinkable. It is not an option.

I realise that many of you will feel betrayed if we do not get the kind of Brexit you want. But to be honest, you’re going to feel betrayed even if you do get the kind of Brexit you want, because it will be unimaginably shit. This is not "project fear", it is "project reality".

The government has a duty to act in the best interests of the country as a whole. It’s not good enough to lay the blame at David Cameron’s door and say he held the referendum so we have to respect the vote. David Cameron has been out of office for two years. It is now plainer than ever that leaving the EU is a terrible idea, and there is still time to put the brakes on and not go through with it. If the government goes through with this when they could put a stop to it, they cannot continue to blame David Cameron and claim that their hands were tied. They are not.

It is time for Theresa May to do the decent thing and say, “I’m sorry, I know it’s what the people voted for, but it simply can’t be done without causing a totally unacceptable amount of harm to the country. And I have a duty of care towards everyone, not just the 51.8% who voted leave.”

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bellinisurge · 02/08/2018 18:53

We are not being held to ransom over a border. That's like a child saying I am holding it to ransom over the passage of time because they don't want to go to bed.
It exists. It took years and much bloodshed to get this far.
And I voted Remain to protect GFA.

Motheroffourdragons · 02/08/2018 18:56

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Rosstac · 02/08/2018 19:01

bellinisurge TM will not put up a border, so it will be up to the EU, if it gets that far. Let the wto do what ever they want it will be years before they come to a decision, who knows what will happen by then, stop making it your last stand on Brexit

Walkingdeadfangirl · 02/08/2018 19:03

The EU have said there will not be a hard border, ergo, NI has to remain in the SM and CU

"The European Union has reassured the Government that no physical checks will be needed on the Border even if the UK crashes out of the bloc without a deal, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said."

Crashing out of the bloc without a deal means leaving the SM and the CU. So whats the issue?

Rosstac · 02/08/2018 19:04

bellinisurge How very good of you, that the only thing that made you vote remain was the GFA, its nice to know the EU had nothing else to offer.

Motheroffourdragons · 02/08/2018 19:06

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sar501 · 02/08/2018 19:08

I understand that many of you feel defensive about your decision and dislike being labelled “thick” by angry remainers. As a remainer myself, I feel saddened and frustrated that none of you seem able to articulate any benefits that will actually come out of Brexit. But at this stage, I would quite happily accept that there will be no benefits, and settle for damage limitation. Unfortunately none of you seem able to explain how we limit the damage either.*

I’m sorry but your post above is beyond patronising ^

It took me a LONG time to decide which way I wanted to vote in the referendum. As it is I have changed my mind but frankly I think that some of the derogatory remarks aimed at people who voted leave in the referendum are completely childish and uncalled for and it’s that kind of attitude which has put people on the defensive and I believe will not switch their vote if there were to be another referendum. You want to get people on side but all I have heard non stop is people moaning about Brexiteers describing them as some kind of knuckle dragging thickos who don’t have a clue. My MIL thinks all Brexiteers are racists.

I hope it doesn’t go ahead but at the end of the day we have to grow up and pull together now.

Apileofballyhoo · 02/08/2018 19:08

"Mr Varadkar said that such a “doomsday scenario” would mean that the “commitments of others” would be relied upon to prevent a hard border."

Which would be the commitment of the UK on the backstop. Which Theresa May said wasn't possible after committing to it.

Thesearepearls · 02/08/2018 19:17

I voted Remain.

My work involves advising large multinational businesses. I have watched ALL my clients relocate their EU hub-functions to the EU which has involved a loss of jobs to UK plc

There's no turning back now. Those jobs and functions have gone and more will go. We just have to make the best of it now.

We have to turn this into an opportunity. An opportunity to impose higher welfare standards on food and cleanliness (of beaches etc). Growth figures for the UK have slowed and sterling has tanked. We have to be optimistic about our future outside a sizeable trading bloc and be confident that we can go it alone.

We can of course and we have to hope that our economic significance and our strong links to the US will take us through. In the short term we will all be poorer. In the long term, it's up to us what we make of it.

And wailing and gnashing teeth is not going to help at this juncture. We have to make the best of it.

bellinisurge · 02/08/2018 19:22

@Rosstac - I didn't list all the other reasons I voted Remain because we were talking about NI.
But thanks for giving a shit.

surferjet · 02/08/2018 19:27

Solutions?

Stop using amazon / Uber eats / & anything that basically involves online shopping - because that’s causing the death of the high st & the loss of 1000’s of jobs.

If you moan about Brexit causing job losses but use amazon - you’re a hypocrite of the highest order.

Valanice1989 · 02/08/2018 19:27

I've seen many leavers post good reasoning for leaving and possible solutions that could work.

downinthejungle, what are the possible solutions you've seen suggested? I really want to believe there's a way all of this can work out, especially the issue of Northern Ireland!

caroldecker · 02/08/2018 19:33

There already is a hard border in NI - it is a duty border, as there is between all EU countries. Just because no checks exist at the border, does not stop it being a border where certain goods are not allowed to cross without the correct paperwork. Additionally, very little trade goes across the NI border, so no checks at the border are required.
We currently examine less than 3% of non-EU goods into the UK.
Also, and a minor point, not sure why satnavs would be affected.

Bearbehind · 02/08/2018 19:36

If you moan about Brexit causing job losses but use amazon - you’re a hypocrite of the highest order.

That's funny 😂

The barrel really is being scraped now!

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 19:48

I told you my answer earlier, I don't see why we should be held to ransom of the border

Right then. So what you really mean is, you think everyone in Northern Ireland should be held ransom to leave voters.

Even though you cannot prove (because no one can) that there is actually a majority in favour of leaving the single market and customs union.

Unless I have completely misunderstood you, and what you are actually saying is that you think we should remain in the single market and customs union and not have a border. In which case we are in agreement.

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WhollyFather · 02/08/2018 19:49

I despair of you diehard remainers. Patronising is puting it mildly. I haven't read the whole thread and don't intend to because I can see most of it is just another remainer whingefest.

You remainers - at least, those of you who live in the UK and have votes, the rest of you I don't care about - are the ones who have caused all the trouble by refusing to accept the largest vote ever cast in the UK for anything, in a referendum which was binding, politically and morally, despite the retrospective - and incorrect - decision of a few law lords that it wasn't legally binding.

'A no-deal Brexit is unthinkable. It is not an option.'

Who told you that? It is not just not unthinkable, it is getting more likely by the day. And will be fine.

We are leaving the EU, the Customs Union and the Single Market. The Irish border is NOT a problem; this has been invented by the EU and supported by UK remainers. Have read of this for a sensible explanation, though he is out of date on us collecting EU customs duties.

As for the OP posting '....it's 37% of eligible voters and about 26% of the population', children don't get to vote in this country so don't count, and 37.4% of the eligible voters telling the government to get us out of the EU is still more than the 34.7% who voted stay.

And in spite of it all, I have yet to see any kind of rational case why the UK would be better off being ruled from Brussels by unelected foreigners who hate us.

Which is exactly what will happen if we don't get out in March.

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 19:50

N.Ireland border is not an issue because all sides have said that even in a hard Brexit scenario there would not be a hard border, so it's a non issue.

Wrong.

A hard border is the inevitable consequence of hard Brexit.

Hard Brexit and hard border, or soft (or no) Brexit and no border.

It is quite literally a binary choice.

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MrsChollySawcutt · 02/08/2018 19:51

I see Surferjet is back with yet more of her top drawer economic analysis and keen political insight.

Cheeseislife · 02/08/2018 19:54

I'm a leaver. Also a wannabe first time buyer. House prices have fallen (in my area, rippling out from London) since Brexit, which they said they would in the campaign, so not everything was a lie. That for me was a good reason to vote out - among others which I can't be bothered to discuss.

Have a Biscuit to add to your doomsday stockpile.

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 19:55

Who told you that? It is not just not unthinkable, it is getting more likely by the day. And will be fine.

If you believe this is fine then I am sorry but you are an utter, utter moron.

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 19:57

And I am angry that so many innocent people are being dragged along with this by people like you who can’t be bothered to do even the most basic research before voting.

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Bearbehind · 02/08/2018 20:09

House prices falling is not a good sign though.

Yes, people might selfishly think it gets them on the ladder but the reality is, it leads to negative equity and is on the back of falling confidence in the economy.

Sadly it's exactly what I'd expect from Leavers because they haven't looked further then the end of their noses wrt to leaving.

falcon5 · 02/08/2018 20:13

And yet again it is back to being a "remainer whingefest" and a convenient ignoring of all leavers who wanted a different type of brexit than the ones the poster wants. Is that possibly because if we removed all of those leavers suddenly hard brexit isn't "the will of the people" ?

MrsChollySawcutt · 02/08/2018 20:14

That's great Cheeseislife hope you are just as happy when prices keep sliding and you end in negative equity. Or lose your job due the crashing economy and can't afford your mortgage.

Are people really that selfish and short sighted?!?

surferjet · 02/08/2018 20:14

Bearbehind

Genuinely interested - do you plan on spending the rest of your life moaning about Brexit on the Internet?