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Brexit

An open letter to leavers

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 12:54

Dear Leavers

I’m sorry that David Cameron offered us a referendum and promised to respect the outcome, whatever it was.

Unfortunately, he was fucking with you.

He promised that referendum when he didn’t think he stood a cat’s chance in hell of getting a majority, and never thought he’d actually have to deliver on it. When he got his surprise majority, he made a big show of going to Brussels and pretending to negotiate with the EU to get us a “better deal”. Unfortunately, he already knew perfectly well that the UK already had a better deal than any other country in the EU, and that they were not going to bend over backwards to get us to stay. So he made a big show of negotiating and then tried to pretend that he had done something meaningful. He then went through the motions of holding a referendum, half-heartedly campaigning to remain. He did absolutely no contingency planning, partly because he never believed that leave would actually win, and partly because he already knew that he had no intention of staying to deal with the fallout if they did. That’s why he resigned the day after the referendum and waltzed off, whistling a merry tune.

He played a high risk game of poker with our money, and lost.

I understand that many of you feel defensive about your decision and dislike being labelled “thick” by angry remainers. As a remainer myself, I feel saddened and frustrated that none of you seem able to articulate any benefits that will actually come out of Brexit. But at this stage, I would quite happily accept that there will be no benefits, and settle for damage limitation. Unfortunately none of you seem able to explain how we limit the damage either.

We cannot leave the single market and customs union without there being a hard border in Ireland, which will put people’s lives at risk. We cannot leave the single market and customs union without severely damaging most sectors of the economy, which would cause untold hardship for millions of people living in the UK. I realise that remaining in the single market and customs union would make leaving the EU pointless, but it is the only way to limit the damage.

The government has made almost no progress towards getting a workable deal in place, and time is running out. We don’t have the infrastructure in place to ensure that supply chains of essential food and medicine will not be disrupted after Brexit day. We don’t have a plan to ensure that planes will still be able to take off and land, or that satnav will still work. We do not have any trade deals lined up. We simply do not have time to do any of these things.

Dear leavers, you do not have solutions to any of these problems, and more importantly, neither do Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Andrea Leadsom, Daniel Hannan, Jeremy Corbyn, Kate Hoey or any of the people who claim to think Brexit is the right choice for the UK.

A no-deal Brexit is unthinkable. It is not an option.

I realise that many of you will feel betrayed if we do not get the kind of Brexit you want. But to be honest, you’re going to feel betrayed even if you do get the kind of Brexit you want, because it will be unimaginably shit. This is not "project fear", it is "project reality".

The government has a duty to act in the best interests of the country as a whole. It’s not good enough to lay the blame at David Cameron’s door and say he held the referendum so we have to respect the vote. David Cameron has been out of office for two years. It is now plainer than ever that leaving the EU is a terrible idea, and there is still time to put the brakes on and not go through with it. If the government goes through with this when they could put a stop to it, they cannot continue to blame David Cameron and claim that their hands were tied. They are not.

It is time for Theresa May to do the decent thing and say, “I’m sorry, I know it’s what the people voted for, but it simply can’t be done without causing a totally unacceptable amount of harm to the country. And I have a duty of care towards everyone, not just the 51.8% who voted leave.”

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Bearbehind · 05/08/2018 11:03

The supermarket and coffee shop people have now gone and they have now got employment there.

oliversmumsarmy I'm sorry but that story is just bollocks.

How can a supermarket / coffee shop in the UK be entirely staffed by people who don't speak any English?

How did they even get through the interview?

Why have all those people already left the UK and been replaced by locals?

Surely locals would have had the benefit of speaking English in the first place so would have been more likely to get jobs in the first place?

There is far too much reliance placed on Chinese whispers like this which have no basis in reality.

Talkstotrees · 05/08/2018 11:18

Surfer, maybe I have an irrational dislike of the word proud. My problem I guess. But I do love England and am happy to be English.

Bear, I was assuming that the supermarket in oliversmumsarmy ‘s story was a (eg) Polish supermarket - owned and run by a Polish family. Surprising to me that it’s still open after they’ve left, given the state of my high street.

Bearbehind · 05/08/2018 11:41

talk it had originally occurred to me the story was about a polish supermarket too, but that made no sense given the story ended with locals getting their jobs back in said places.

Talkstotrees · 05/08/2018 11:46

Seems clarification would be helpful...

Helmetbymidnight · 05/08/2018 11:49

I really wouldn't take what Olivermumsarmy says seriously.

Two years ago, she was such an ardent brexiteer that she said she would leave the country if remain won. Now, FWIW, she 'would have preferred remain'.

If you're going to pretend you didn't vote leave - and in RL I know people who have - on MN, perhaps it would be wise to name-change first.

Bearbehind · 05/08/2018 11:53

Seems clarification would be helpful...

That won't happen- why let the truth get in the way of a good story!

allthegoodusernameshavegone · 05/08/2018 11:55

Op everything you say I think.

derxa · 05/08/2018 12:33

Many Scots (like me) are proud to be both Scottish and European.
For me that's still the case (just) I voted remain but it's clear to me how the EU leaders regard us and always have. With total and utter contempt.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 05/08/2018 12:38

How are the EU treating the UK with contempt? The problem seems to be arrogance, ignorance and self importance on the British side.

derxa · 05/08/2018 12:44

How are the EU treating the UK with contempt? The problem seems to be arrogance, ignorance and self importance on the British side. I'm not talking about the intricacies of this negotiation. I'm talking about their hauteur. It's indefinable but it's there. It's the reason that some Scots hate the English and want to be independent. Nothing to do with economics at all. And no I don't want the UK to break up either.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 05/08/2018 12:49

Seeing the news today that a WTO Brexit is more likely that not. Then the best course of action now must be to just agree to disagree with the EU and arrange for a two year transition to trading on WTO rules.

Moussemoose · 05/08/2018 12:51

I'm impressed with the way they are handling the negotiations. Their job is to defend the interests of the EU and use any negotiating tricks they have. A little bit of hauteur can psyche out the opposition.

I just wish we were still on their side. It's like watching Real Madrid beat your team it pisses you off because you are losing but you can't help but admire the skill and wish you supported them.

They were on our side, they were our team and we told them to get lost. Utter, utter foolishness.

LoveInTokyo · 05/08/2018 12:52

I don't think they have always regarded us with contempt. We've always been difficult and wanted to have everything our own way or a special exception just for us. But they also respected us for lots of reasons. Our practicality, our cool headedness, our ability to get things done without a fuss. We were a valued and influential partner despite the fact that they considered us difficult and aloof.

But now we are just difficult and appear to have completely lost our heads, so I think the respect is gone.

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Helmetbymidnight · 05/08/2018 12:57

I'm talking about their hauteur. It's indefinable but it's there.

I wonder how our chief negotiator David Davis came across, when he didn't understand trade deals, when he lied about what we could do, when he turned up at meetings with no notes, aims, solutions, etc?

www.ft.com/content/9e3aacf0-7b9c-11e8-bc55-50daf11b720d

prettybird · 05/08/2018 12:58

I don't see how the EU is treating us with contempt Confused

They are consistently applying the rules of the organisation. The fact that UK doesn't want those rules to apply to it and/or for the EU to change its rules for the UK's benefit ( "Don't they know who we are" Hmm) is the UK's problem.

It's the UK that is trying to treat the EU with contempt Angry - I think the EU has been remarkably patient.

And the EU has cared far more than the UK Government about poor/deprived areas, offering ERDF support.

Helmetbymidnight · 05/08/2018 12:58

That's when he bothered to turn up.

Aw, makes you proud, doesn't it.

Bearbehind · 05/08/2018 13:01

to just agree to disagree with the EU and arrange for a two year transition to trading on WTO rules

This kind of stupity makes my blood boil.

Do you really not understand that WTO is from day one?

There can be no transition period.

That's the whole fucking point!

Helmetbymidnight · 05/08/2018 13:02

The EU regard us with total and utter contempt.
In what way?
It's an 'indefinable hauteur'.

Confused

GhostofFrankGrimes · 05/08/2018 13:11

Some politicians, the leave campaign and the media have been badmouthing and in some cases telling outright lies about the EU. It’s a miracle the EU still talks and acts civilised to the British side.

Imagine slagging off a mate to other people. You know your mate is going to hear about it but you still turn up at her birthday party as if you are both on great terms.

derxa · 05/08/2018 13:11

They are consistently applying the rules of the organisation. The fact that UK doesn't want those rules to apply to it and/or for the EU to change its rules for the UK's benefit ( "Don't they know who we are" hmm) is the UK's problem. I said I'm not talking about these negotiations.

derxa · 05/08/2018 13:12

Imagine slagging off a mate to other people They are not our 'mates'.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 05/08/2018 13:17

They should be mates. They should be allies. British arrogance and nostalgia put paid to that. Now Britain will seek solace at the bosom of Donald Trump.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 05/08/2018 13:18

Nostalgia for the empire I should have added.

Helmetbymidnight · 05/08/2018 13:39

I said I'm not talking about these negotiations.

What are you talking about though?

derxa · 05/08/2018 13:47

What are you talking about though? I'm talking about the EU officials from the time God was a boy. Power corrupts.

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