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Brexit

An open letter to leavers

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 12:54

Dear Leavers

I’m sorry that David Cameron offered us a referendum and promised to respect the outcome, whatever it was.

Unfortunately, he was fucking with you.

He promised that referendum when he didn’t think he stood a cat’s chance in hell of getting a majority, and never thought he’d actually have to deliver on it. When he got his surprise majority, he made a big show of going to Brussels and pretending to negotiate with the EU to get us a “better deal”. Unfortunately, he already knew perfectly well that the UK already had a better deal than any other country in the EU, and that they were not going to bend over backwards to get us to stay. So he made a big show of negotiating and then tried to pretend that he had done something meaningful. He then went through the motions of holding a referendum, half-heartedly campaigning to remain. He did absolutely no contingency planning, partly because he never believed that leave would actually win, and partly because he already knew that he had no intention of staying to deal with the fallout if they did. That’s why he resigned the day after the referendum and waltzed off, whistling a merry tune.

He played a high risk game of poker with our money, and lost.

I understand that many of you feel defensive about your decision and dislike being labelled “thick” by angry remainers. As a remainer myself, I feel saddened and frustrated that none of you seem able to articulate any benefits that will actually come out of Brexit. But at this stage, I would quite happily accept that there will be no benefits, and settle for damage limitation. Unfortunately none of you seem able to explain how we limit the damage either.

We cannot leave the single market and customs union without there being a hard border in Ireland, which will put people’s lives at risk. We cannot leave the single market and customs union without severely damaging most sectors of the economy, which would cause untold hardship for millions of people living in the UK. I realise that remaining in the single market and customs union would make leaving the EU pointless, but it is the only way to limit the damage.

The government has made almost no progress towards getting a workable deal in place, and time is running out. We don’t have the infrastructure in place to ensure that supply chains of essential food and medicine will not be disrupted after Brexit day. We don’t have a plan to ensure that planes will still be able to take off and land, or that satnav will still work. We do not have any trade deals lined up. We simply do not have time to do any of these things.

Dear leavers, you do not have solutions to any of these problems, and more importantly, neither do Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Andrea Leadsom, Daniel Hannan, Jeremy Corbyn, Kate Hoey or any of the people who claim to think Brexit is the right choice for the UK.

A no-deal Brexit is unthinkable. It is not an option.

I realise that many of you will feel betrayed if we do not get the kind of Brexit you want. But to be honest, you’re going to feel betrayed even if you do get the kind of Brexit you want, because it will be unimaginably shit. This is not "project fear", it is "project reality".

The government has a duty to act in the best interests of the country as a whole. It’s not good enough to lay the blame at David Cameron’s door and say he held the referendum so we have to respect the vote. David Cameron has been out of office for two years. It is now plainer than ever that leaving the EU is a terrible idea, and there is still time to put the brakes on and not go through with it. If the government goes through with this when they could put a stop to it, they cannot continue to blame David Cameron and claim that their hands were tied. They are not.

It is time for Theresa May to do the decent thing and say, “I’m sorry, I know it’s what the people voted for, but it simply can’t be done without causing a totally unacceptable amount of harm to the country. And I have a duty of care towards everyone, not just the 51.8% who voted leave.”

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Rosstac · 04/08/2018 11:45

jasjas1973 But I am, if you know no deal is not an option why don’t you all get behind the U.K. and let’s show the EU a United front, instead of moaning and groaning, you know we are leaving without a good deal so get behind the U.K. because if we get a no deal you will all suffer as well ( as you think it will be shit )

Peregrina · 04/08/2018 11:49

the EU really want the UK to stay, could simply offer the UK a 5 year pause on FOM,

Because we didn't use the facility we already had to pause EU immigration from the new E Europe countries when they joined. Why should the EU offer us anything else when we can't be bothered?

May has ruled out anything but not having free movement, so isn't likely to accept this, because her right wing have to be appeased at all costs.

May is the PM and unless she resigns or her party stabs her in the back, we can't get rid of her, unless we all up sticks to Maidenhead and vote against her in the next election.

Bearbehind · 04/08/2018 11:49

How many times rosstac

No deal isn't going to happen, we've done sod all to prepare for it.

It's just bluster to try and scare the EU into agreeing to what we want becuase we still think they need us more than we need them.

They don't

We are going to have to accept whatever we are offered at the 11th hour to avoid no deal.

RedneckStumpy · 04/08/2018 11:50

There is a very high likelihood that there will be a crash out Brexit.

A failed harvest and a hard cold winter are setting up a perfect storm for a disaster.

There will be shortages, economic turmoil, civil unrest, andI fully anticipate the NHS collapsing.

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 11:51

jasjas1973 there that’s correct we have no idea of numbers, that’s why the people have had enough, failure by existing and previous governments has led to this, The EU are the fall guys with there FOM, what else can the public do when Labour start it without asking the public, and the rest carry it on, they have no idea on impact on housing, schooling, etc etc

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 11:52

RedneckStumpy Sounds like a movie I watched last night,

Quietrebel · 04/08/2018 11:52

@rosstac yes there are less prosperous economies within the EU but that's the result of their own domestic fiscal policies.

RedneckStumpy · 04/08/2018 11:54

@rosstac

What was it called?

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 11:55

Bearbehind If that happens and yes it will go down to the last minute, many people will be happy as the Tory’s will be smashed at the next GE and for the next decade and the rise of UKIP will start again,
If you no we are going to get a deal tell the others as they seem to be over worrying

caroldecker · 04/08/2018 11:56

Turkey having no chance of joining was part of my reasoning. FOM for a rich white club forces huge barriers to giving work visas to the rest of the world. The EU is inherently racist and protectionist.

Moussemoose · 04/08/2018 11:57

Housing, schooling and social policy has all been impacted by austerity. By the government of the U.K. not the EU.

Don't blame people from other countries when it is the fault of our government. You haven't been negatively impacted by FOM but by your own government. Look at Northamptonshire County Council it can't provide services because of our government.

The government of the U.K. has caused these issues they way the government of Greece caused their problems.

The EU is not perfect but it is not responsible for the economic issues pertaining to individual countries.

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 11:58

Quietrebel What do the EU actually do then, nothing bad is ever there fault, Greece, high youth unemployment, immigration crisis in Southern Europe and in large European cities, financial crash, etc, etc

Cobblersandhogwash · 04/08/2018 12:01

@rosstac, can you demonstrate how the actions of the EU caused the Greek crisis?

The EU is imperfect. Of course it is. But it's important to know exactly where.

Can you explain to me how the EU caused the crisis in Greece, please?

dingdongdino · 04/08/2018 12:01

So if we had another vote and it was still leave would you all shut up ? No I doubt it.

Seriously why don't you stop morning on it's been years, get over it. Why don't YOU do something productive and find some solutions then if you know everything. Leave is to make us better, not to just say it's too hard we give up. That's pathetic and not the British spirit.

We vote and there's a decision. How did we cope pre -Eu. Get a grip.

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 12:01

Moussemoose If it’s not responsible, why doesn’t it stick to being a trading block as it’s was originally set up as, forcing the Euro on people was not a good idea and I’m glad we didn’t listen to the doomsayers at that time with all there project doom then

Cobblersandhogwash · 04/08/2018 12:02

And we won't get behind Brexit ever.

Because it's bad news for my country.

Who wants to get behind a pile of shit?

Cobblersandhogwash · 04/08/2018 12:04

@dingdongdino, your lot didn't shut up for 40 years after the last referendum.

It's fascist speak to try and get the opposite to shut up.

It's not democratic. Democracy requires opposition.

I can see clearly that you would prefer there to be no opposition. North Korea is the same.

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 12:04

Cobblersandhogwash Don’t then enjoy living in the shit then

dingdongdino · 04/08/2018 12:05

*moaning ( not morning ) I was ranting so much i missed the autocorrect fail Angry

Helmetbymidnight · 04/08/2018 12:05

According to many/most leave voters on mn they knew exactly what they were getting into, lies/propaganda/Russian money in no way influenced their vote, they knew times would be very tough for the next twenty-fifty years, but they were adamant their grandchildren would thank them for it.

So why shouldn’t I blame them?

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 12:05

Cobblersandhogwash Can we leave it 40 years to the next vote then

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 12:07

dingdongdino It’s easy done watch out for the spelling and grammar ass hole that appear on here

dingdongdino · 04/08/2018 12:17

We are not in a dictatorship. We voted. People on the side of leave voted and people on the side of remain voted.

Now it's time to focus on the best way to leave. Scaring people into stock piling tinned food is ridiculous.

Moussemoose · 04/08/2018 12:20

Rosstac
The Euro was forced on no one. The countries that wanted exemptions got it and at the moment 9 countries do not use the euro.

Moussemoose · 04/08/2018 12:21

We're not out till we're out. In a democracy people have the right to protest, argue and change policy.