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Brexit

An open letter to leavers

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 12:54

Dear Leavers

I’m sorry that David Cameron offered us a referendum and promised to respect the outcome, whatever it was.

Unfortunately, he was fucking with you.

He promised that referendum when he didn’t think he stood a cat’s chance in hell of getting a majority, and never thought he’d actually have to deliver on it. When he got his surprise majority, he made a big show of going to Brussels and pretending to negotiate with the EU to get us a “better deal”. Unfortunately, he already knew perfectly well that the UK already had a better deal than any other country in the EU, and that they were not going to bend over backwards to get us to stay. So he made a big show of negotiating and then tried to pretend that he had done something meaningful. He then went through the motions of holding a referendum, half-heartedly campaigning to remain. He did absolutely no contingency planning, partly because he never believed that leave would actually win, and partly because he already knew that he had no intention of staying to deal with the fallout if they did. That’s why he resigned the day after the referendum and waltzed off, whistling a merry tune.

He played a high risk game of poker with our money, and lost.

I understand that many of you feel defensive about your decision and dislike being labelled “thick” by angry remainers. As a remainer myself, I feel saddened and frustrated that none of you seem able to articulate any benefits that will actually come out of Brexit. But at this stage, I would quite happily accept that there will be no benefits, and settle for damage limitation. Unfortunately none of you seem able to explain how we limit the damage either.

We cannot leave the single market and customs union without there being a hard border in Ireland, which will put people’s lives at risk. We cannot leave the single market and customs union without severely damaging most sectors of the economy, which would cause untold hardship for millions of people living in the UK. I realise that remaining in the single market and customs union would make leaving the EU pointless, but it is the only way to limit the damage.

The government has made almost no progress towards getting a workable deal in place, and time is running out. We don’t have the infrastructure in place to ensure that supply chains of essential food and medicine will not be disrupted after Brexit day. We don’t have a plan to ensure that planes will still be able to take off and land, or that satnav will still work. We do not have any trade deals lined up. We simply do not have time to do any of these things.

Dear leavers, you do not have solutions to any of these problems, and more importantly, neither do Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Andrea Leadsom, Daniel Hannan, Jeremy Corbyn, Kate Hoey or any of the people who claim to think Brexit is the right choice for the UK.

A no-deal Brexit is unthinkable. It is not an option.

I realise that many of you will feel betrayed if we do not get the kind of Brexit you want. But to be honest, you’re going to feel betrayed even if you do get the kind of Brexit you want, because it will be unimaginably shit. This is not "project fear", it is "project reality".

The government has a duty to act in the best interests of the country as a whole. It’s not good enough to lay the blame at David Cameron’s door and say he held the referendum so we have to respect the vote. David Cameron has been out of office for two years. It is now plainer than ever that leaving the EU is a terrible idea, and there is still time to put the brakes on and not go through with it. If the government goes through with this when they could put a stop to it, they cannot continue to blame David Cameron and claim that their hands were tied. They are not.

It is time for Theresa May to do the decent thing and say, “I’m sorry, I know it’s what the people voted for, but it simply can’t be done without causing a totally unacceptable amount of harm to the country. And I have a duty of care towards everyone, not just the 51.8% who voted leave.”

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LoveInTokyo · 04/08/2018 11:13

The EU has bent over backwards to accommodate us for the last 30 years. I don't think people like Rosstac understand how much they have already compromised for us and how much we are regarded as massive piss-takers.

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Rosstac · 04/08/2018 11:14

We already know that there is no majority for Brexit amongst those registered to vote, to say nothing of the wider population.
I had to read this twice
We had a vote and the majority voted to Brexit

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 11:16

LoveInTokyo Then unfortunately we will be leaving, piss- takers that pay a lot to take the piss, The EU will not offer any deal if that’s how they feel about us good job we’re leaving

LoveInTokyo · 04/08/2018 11:17

37% of the electorate (and 26% of the population) voted to leave.

I could honestly kick those who couldn't be arsed to vote but I think we can safely assume they weren't particularly bothered either way.

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jasjas1973 · 04/08/2018 11:17

A pause in FOM for a set time, would no doubt get enough leavers on board to win a second referendum, in that period the government could set up enough checks to control FOM in the U.K. properly, what have you got to lose

Rosstac...... May cannot suggest this! even if she wanted to (which given her views on Brexit, is highly unlikely) she d be out of office within days.

But maybe i'm wrong and this is what she is proposing to Macron lol!

JWIM · 04/08/2018 11:18

In June 2016. As we have read today, some leave voters now realise that what the Leave Campaign lied about then means that they voted on incorrect information. Those Leave voters would make a different decision if the vote was carried out now.

Also, the change in demographics over 2 years means more under 18s then are now eligible to vote and young voters are far more likely to vote to stay in the EU.

Bearbehind · 04/08/2018 11:19

We had a vote and the majority voted to Brexit

I can't describe how angry it makes me that this is yours and every other leavers stock response when the questions get a bit difficult.

Accept that what you were offered is impossible and deal with it.

There is no silver bullet.

JWIM · 04/08/2018 11:20

Rosstac and it will be the UK that will lose out and the EU will continue to thrive. Go us!

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 11:23

JWIM The leave supporters have had enough of FOM, the past and previous governments never expected the numbers we have got, even Labour admitted so after they opened the flood gates, and as we know at the bottom it all runs down hjill

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 11:25

Bearbehind I was responding to the false statement that somebody else made, but sorry it’s the truth

Cobblersandhogwash · 04/08/2018 11:26

Leave.EU cheated.

Apparently they 'won'.

We still don't know what Brexit means.

40 years of bitching about the EU and they still have no plan. It's so embarrassing.

And yet Leavers resist a second vote on the actual details of the deal. The FACTS instead of unicorns and fairy dust.

They know they would lose. They know the British public see through the lies and spin.

Brexit will hurt our economy. If we crash out with no deal, we will be the only country in the entire world without a trade deal.

It's just a puddle of shit. Really.

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 11:28

JWIM If you call it thrive, I don’t think Greece do,

Cobblersandhogwash · 04/08/2018 11:31

What do you know about Greece?

Greece's economic situation is directly due to the EU? Not because of its own mismanagement?

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 11:33

Cobblersandhogwash Yes have a vote on the final deal, except it or leave on a no deal, we’ve had the vote to leave,
You people have never had to negotiate a deal, let the other party know the deal will be rejected if you give us a shit deal, really anybody would think you want to stay

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 11:35

Yes of course nothing is down to the EU, what’s the point of it, would have been better sticking to a trading block, oh yes that’s what I voted for in 75

Cobblersandhogwash · 04/08/2018 11:35

No. Because no deal or the deal offered might be worse than the current deal we have with the EU.

Why are you so intent on damaging our economy? Are you so brainwashed?

Anyway, we will crash out I reckon and it will be hard. Very very hard.

Cobblersandhogwash · 04/08/2018 11:36

Please explain how the EU is responsible for the situation in Greece.

Quietrebel · 04/08/2018 11:36

@Rosstac
Greece is completely different from the UK and cooked the books to join a currency they couldn't afford. The UK is not in the Euro and was thriving yes. France, Germany, the Netherlands all doing very well. Don't make our all of Europe is like Greece! And by the way, Greece chose to stay in the EU.

LouiseCollins28 · 04/08/2018 11:36

@JWIM Why no limits to FOM?
I wrote more but my phone died. Simple quick version of my answer is:

  • we don’t have, and don’t want to have ID cards as a condition of residence or right to work in the UK. If we did it would cost everyone more.
  • we don’t have, and don’t want to have ID cards as a condition required to access our welfare system, if we did it would cost everyone more.
  • uk firms and organisations have enjoyed the benefit of a ready supply of trained workers to do all sorts of jobs from other member states
  • because there is a ready supply of trained workers, firms, organisations and our own government do not need to carry the cost of training UK workers properly to equip them for the labour market. Sad
Cobblersandhogwash · 04/08/2018 11:37

Leavers are scared now. They're scared of letting the people decide if they've changed their minds and want to stay in the EU.

Cobblersandhogwash · 04/08/2018 11:37

What is scary is that Rosstac et all don't believe people should be allowed to change their minds if it doesn't suit their own ideology.

Cobblersandhogwash · 04/08/2018 11:38

Anti democratic.

jasjas1973 · 04/08/2018 11:38

The EU know a no-deal is nt an option, why state something you know full well you are not prepared to do?

Far better to work constructively for a deal that is acceptable to all.

but of course May has spent 2 years negotiating with the Tory party not the EU

Rosstac · 04/08/2018 11:39

Quietrebel Really with the debt that they had run up, they had little option but to stay,
Spain’s and many other youth unemployment is very high,

jasjas1973 · 04/08/2018 11:43

We have an ad hoc ID card system, using Passports, Driving licences instead, no centralised database, abuse of NHS and benefits system.

No idea who is in the country or not.

When the Government say there are 3 million EU citizens in the UK, it is a total guess, when they say 100k EU citizens came to or left the UK last year, it is a guess based on a sample at a few ports.

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