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Brexit

Westminstenders: In the Brexit Lane

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RedToothBrush · 02/08/2018 09:25

I honestly couldn't think of a better starter to the thread than simply just this tweet

Robert Peston @ peston
We’ve got an official opposition tearing itself apart over antisemitism, the founder of the EDL running rings around the judiciary and a government negotiating a Brexit plan that its own MPs and ministers tell me is dead. When will we pull ourselves together, as a nation?

But don't worry, your blue passport will get you an extra special long wait at passport control. And no deal could lead to continued freedom of movement anyway. Something for everyone in there.

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frumpety · 03/08/2018 07:18

Sorry to hear about your moving woes Red , I am sure the Summer holidays are always slow for sales , could well pick up again in September

PineappleSunrise · 03/08/2018 07:19

That Road Hauliers Association statement isn't holding anything back, is it?

Peregrina · 03/08/2018 07:21

Just when are we going to get to a tipping point, and someone who says "Stop this insanity" will be listened to, and everything changes?

ConstantlyCold · 03/08/2018 07:34

Just when are we going to get to a tipping point, and someone who says "Stop this insanity" will be listened to, and everything changes

Lord only knows. There’s still so many people who dislike the EU and still want to leave. Some simply don’t believe it will be a painful nightmare. Others don’t seem to care.
When the economic fallout has been explained I’ve heard people say “oh so we can never leave then.” Like the EU has purposely trapped us and that alone is now their reason to leave now.

RedToothBrush · 03/08/2018 08:04

When we hit crisis point and there's actually a problem that can't be kicked down the road. By then we will be at the riot stage, one way or another.

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Quietrebel · 03/08/2018 08:08

Petition is at 556,000 this morning, so still a decent signing rate but I think it can only start having a real impact in the million+

borntobequiet · 03/08/2018 08:44

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle
The fact that 80% has been negotiated is really neither here nor there. The 20% is what matters, probably the final 5% being the really difficult bit. If it's true that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, it will either be crash out or an almighty fudge.

DGRossetti · 03/08/2018 09:57

Ah yes. The Pareto principle. Well known in project management circles.

It says that the first 20% of any project takes 80% of the time. And the other 80% takes the other 80% of time.

DGRossetti · 03/08/2018 10:07

Just when are we going to get to a tipping point, and someone who says "Stop this insanity" will be listened to, and everything changes

When enough Leavers actually own up to their actions? Which ain't now. Currently they're all handwringing with a "poor us" air of pathetic helplessness about them. They're acting like losers, not winners. Seems the moderate Leaver strategy is to attempt to try and sidle up to Remainers and whine "but we didn't get what we wanted either" as an excuse for not actually doing anything.

Plus I'm starting to wonder about the idea of a "moderate Leaver" anyway.

KennDodd · 03/08/2018 10:07

Interesting writing style in that RHA document. I get the feeling they have given up talking to gov and are now addressing the public (well, leave voters) directly.

borntobequiet · 03/08/2018 10:13

It's very well written, clear and to the point. Also conveys the justified irritability and frustration the RHA feels at the situation.

LoveInTokyo · 03/08/2018 10:26

Unless this is only being done for UK consumption and quietly behind the scenes, Olly Robbins is working something else out.

I really hope this is the case.

Olly Robbins is a smart and practical person. He's got more common sense than the entire government put together.

DGRossetti · 03/08/2018 10:37

Watching the experts in the pub, it should be obvious that the RHA are going to be at the sharp end of a no-deal. Along with airlines. Ferries would probably be in the second vanguard.

It's about now, I would expect proper retailers (and as a sideline, a no deal Brexit will certainly prove an evolutionary pressure on the high street retail environment Hmm) to start planning for shortages and draw up "x-per-shopper" policies, and look at store layouts to move predicted high-demand goods into less accessible areas. (I'm guessing wheelchair users can fuck right off - again).

Retailers are already implementing "Project Santa" (they did it in 1982, when I had my Saturday job) for Xmas. So a little tweak, and it could be done at the same time.

That said, I doubt it's happening. The UK retail market has got where it is today by squeezing almost every ounce of fat out of the process. Meaning there is absolutely no slack to implement such changes over their everyday operational activities. The dangers of a "low cost" operation. No room for anything out of the ordinary.

HesterThrale · 03/08/2018 10:38

Mark Carney:
“The possibility of a no deal at the moment is uncomfortably high. It is highly undesirable, parties should do all things to avoid it”."

Tom Newton-Dunn:
Blimey. Carney reveals the BoE recently ran a Brexit no deal exercise that saw property prices plummet by a third, interest rates go up to 4%, unemployment up to 9%, and a full blown recession.

mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1025282884171694080

DGRossetti · 03/08/2018 10:59

Carney will have to go.

DGRossetti · 03/08/2018 11:01

I expect nasty little pieces from Brexiteers about his foreigninity

(tinfoil hat owners may like to know that Google Chrome doesn't think that last word is a misspelling. Which is odd, as I was sure I made it up Hmm )

KennDodd · 03/08/2018 11:02

He's going soon anyway. Who appoints the BoE head?

DGRossetti · 03/08/2018 11:04

Isn't BoE a private company ?

HesterThrale · 03/08/2018 11:07

I believe Carnet agreed to stay till summer 2019, to 'see Brexit through'.
If you want my opinion, (and you probably don't!) that's when the s**t will really be hitting the fan.
As if it'll all be over by summer 19.

HesterThrale · 03/08/2018 11:11

Whoops, either me or my phone turned Carney French!

BigChocFrenzy · 03/08/2018 11:36

clash Barnier's op ed discusses what is in the 20%

The big roadblock is the NI border - the backstop May reneged on
If that could be settled, the rest would be compoaratively easy

Buteo · 03/08/2018 11:55

Olly Robbins is a smart and practical person. He's got more common sense than the entire government put together.

Hopefully this is why he was pulled from DExEU and into the Cabinet Office and given power over Davis/ Raab.

Hasenstein · 03/08/2018 12:02

I expect nasty little pieces from Brexiteers about his foreigninity

Already happening. Look at some of the BTL comments on the BBC's report. Then go and have a shower, or you'll never feel clean again!

DGRossetti · 03/08/2018 13:03

The big roadblock is the NI border - the backstop May reneged on

Has she reneged on it ? As with everything Brexit, there's so much jaw-jaw. Best to look to actions, not words.

Motheroffourdragons · 03/08/2018 13:58

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