Westminstenders: In the Brexit Lane

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I honestly couldn't think of a better starter to the thread than simply just this tweet

Robert Peston @ peston
We’ve got an official opposition tearing itself apart over antisemitism, the founder of the EDL running rings around the judiciary and a government negotiating a Brexit plan that its own MPs and ministers tell me is dead. When will we pull ourselves together, as a nation?

But don't worry, your blue passport will get you an extra special long wait at passport control. And no deal could lead to continued freedom of movement anyway. Something for everyone in there.

I wonder how history shows the media that failed countries was treated after the event ?

Could we see people turning on the media for failing them ?

We already know Brexiteers will never admit they were wrong. But they'd happily throw someone else under a bus to save themselves.

Look what happened to The Sun in Liverpool after Hillsborborough....

Could we see people turning on the media for failing them ?

I wonder though. To turn on the media for failing them they would have to first accept the proposition that voting to leave was the wrong choice, but that they were duped into it. And, as you point out DG, Brexiters, if not Leavers in general, will not admit this. I fear that, whatever level of shit-ness comes to pass, it will always be easier to stick the same old script. Leaving could have been all rainbows and unicorns and a Spitfire for all if only the nasty, bullying EU had played fair and filled the UK’s bowl with cherries. Plus, of course, us Remoaners and the Guardian for talking down Brexit.

To turn on the media for failing them they would have to first accept the proposition that voting to leave was the wrong choice, but that they were duped into it.

But it becomes an acceptable narrative if things go against them. Not their fault, for reading what they wanted to read into the reporting. But the medias fault (because it has to be someone elses fault, naturally).

Bear in mind the abuser, whose "defence" is Look what you made me do ....

That's why every so often I have to pull myself up for thinking, "Stuff it, we should have the hardest, most damaging Brexit possible just prove to the Brexiters that life outside the EU is not all unicorns and sunlit uplands."

It's tempting because not only would might it finally shut them up, but it would also help the case for Scottish independence (so I have a selfish self-interest).

However, I can't bring myself to wish such damage on the UK economy - and the disproportionate harm it would do to the poorest and most vulnerable in society

How close are BBC radio and BBC web news teams ?

Just caught a piece on R4s 3pm news about Brexit supporters being urged to join the Tories "to ensure the right leader to deliver Brexit" by the Leave.EU chief pixie.

Not a mention on the website.

(I wonder how many R4 listeners are Brexiteers )

However, I can't bring myself to wish such damage on the UK economy - and the disproportionate harm it would do to the poorest and most vulnerable in society

I suspect the damage will be done despite anyones wishes. In that case, it may as well have some positives. An independent Scotland is one. If nothing else, it might become a standard by which the governance of England is measured. Although the US doesn't seem to be bothered that Canada generally seems a much better place to live .

The only reasons I used to accept for not wanting Scottish independence was genuinely feeling British (UK-ish ) as well as and/or instead of Scottish (actually, I myself used to in that group many years ago ) or (and I always had difficulty with this one but would half accept it) that the more socially minded/sense of society Scots were needed to "save" the English from themselves more selfish, right wing interests, hence why it would be wrong for Scotland to leave the UK .

I no longer accept the latter argument: if England wants to descend into a Breitbart funded, chlorine-chicken fed, regulation free paradise of a tax haven (), then leave them to it.

Scotland chooses a different path.

I still listen to R4 just about and I'm not a Leaver DG. I admit it's getting easier to consider changing the habit of a quarter century, and then they go and mess around with the 6 Music schedule and RadMac... it's enough to make me think about commercial radio! Just when is James O'Brien on?

Babooshka said something about 'attempting to destroy the credibility of journalists', which I was sympathetic about. Then I saw this tweet by someone who self identifies as a journalist: twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1028563972205813760?s=19

Utterly beyond belief, and it appears she thinks it's appropriate to double down on a fair few responses, particularly if they describe her as 'liberal elite' smh

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....because it's too close to the bone.

Imagine if people's passports wee delayed because of logjams at the ports!

Almost funny if it was not so tragic and did not blight the future of all of us, our children and our grandchildren.

Mrsr8.

Yes, a no deal Brexit will mess up the lives of many people, both those living in the UK and UK expats
and of course E27 expats in the UK
(without any WIthdrawal Agreement, the deal on UK & E27 expats is not binding)

The super-rich hedge-funders, spivs & media oligarchs, who seem to be leading the Tory party by the nose,
will probably make a great deal of money.

If sense prevails and we have a soft landing Brexit, then the hedge-funders may lose billions

I wish I could believe that May would prioritise ordinary people over the very wealthy and over Tory party unity.

DGR I wonder how history shows the media that failed countries was treated after the event?
Could we see people turning on the media for failing them?

Well we already know that the papers in the UK are way less trusted than any other country in the EU. (See the fairly shocking first graph in the attached article.)
I feel half disgusted, disappointed and ashamed of our print media; and half relieved that so many people know that they're not to be trusted.

I believe there are laws in some countries against lies in the press - is that right?

www.pressgazette.co.uk/survey-finds-that-uk-written-press-is-by-some-way-the-least-trusted-in-europe/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I don't know if the Heil is just inventing stories, or reporting wild rumours,
but here's "thick as mince" DD, grinning out at us in obviously staged Action Man mode...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/brexit/article-6051043/Plot-oust-Theresa-David-Davis-interim-PM-Boris-Johnson-urged-delay-bid.html

Boris Johnsonn* is being urged to anoint David Davis as ‘interim’ Prime Minister as part of a Brexiteer putsch to oust Theresa Mayy* as early as October,
The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

The burka row which has engulfed the party in the wake of Mr Johnson’s incendiary remarks about Islamic dress, has emboldened anti-May plotters, who think it could help trigger a leadership contest when MPs return to the Commons next month.

Senior allies of Mr Davis have told this newspaper a contest would be a ‘disaster’ for the country, so the party should agree to make the former Brexitt^ Secretary a caretaker leader until after the UK leaves the EU.

They have privately urged Mr Johnson to agree to the plan and postpone his bid for the leadership until Mr Davis steps down.

Arborea JHB’s credibility can’t be destroyed - she never had anyone to start with! When I mentioned attempts to destroy the credibility of journalists I really meant the right’s attempt to portray the more centrist/liberal/left leaning media (not that there’s much of that around) as liars. The way Leavers howling with derision at anything in the Guardian - it’s all project fear - and Trump branding CNN ‘fake news’ so in the end he will be able to get away with anything and it wouldn’t matter if it’s reported - his supporters will dismiss it as lies. And yet the bigoted drivel of the likes of the Mail/Fox is believed.

DD as PM? He would be an obvious and humiliating puppet.

Note how Johnson doesn't want the PMs job, just yet. I hope he never gets it; I would shed no tears to see him disgraced eventually.

Is there is similar push to get more moderate Conservative voters to join the party so they can vote for the least bad option of the final two?

twitter.com/RealNatalieRowe

Natalie Rowe is well peeved with Mr Johnson. He may be disgraced yet.

The public school system bears some responsibility for producing these people. Uber competitive and entitled.