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Westminstenders: In the Brexit Lane

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RedToothBrush · 02/08/2018 09:25

I honestly couldn't think of a better starter to the thread than simply just this tweet

Robert Peston @ peston
We’ve got an official opposition tearing itself apart over antisemitism, the founder of the EDL running rings around the judiciary and a government negotiating a Brexit plan that its own MPs and ministers tell me is dead. When will we pull ourselves together, as a nation?

But don't worry, your blue passport will get you an extra special long wait at passport control. And no deal could lead to continued freedom of movement anyway. Something for everyone in there.

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BigChocFrenzy · 05/08/2018 08:27

Math I meant that the US, from the very top of their government, is openly espousing fascism as official policy
AND
exporting it, trying to make European countries fascist too.
The latter is new.
Before, they weren't so open about wanting regime change in 1st world countries

imo, a major reason why the Brexit Ultras have such power and no deal is mainstream
is because the USA - which formerly, at least post-WW2, would have slapped down British nationalist fantasies of exceptionalism - e.g. Suez - is now advicating the furthest extremes.

If Clinton, with all her faults & negligence re domestic policy, had been elected, then the UK and EU landscape would be totally different.

We would NEVER have faced no deal.
From day 1, May might have been ordered to drop Brexit totally; at least she would have been forced to the most BINO version.

The ERG would have been rendered powerless; instead they openly intimidate May into changing her policies.

Remember, even MrsT during the Falklands war was originally ordered by Reagan's govt to accept a peace deal that would have brought down her govt, instead of going to war to recover the Falklands

Later, she said she would have had no choice but to obey the US orders, whatever the political damage to her party
Fortunately for her, Galtieri was the one with nationalist delusions of power and he refused the deal that gave him 80% of what he wanted.
Otherwise, he and those US orders would have stopped the Thatcher revolution before it really started.
How different the UK would have been.

Alternate History is fascinating:
the UK over the last few decades has been massively changed and will change massively if Brexit is anything but BINO
All because of 2-3 key decisions coming down on the wrong side.

Peregrina · 05/08/2018 08:46

All because of 2-3 key decisions coming down on the wrong side.

Hence, we sometimes drift into wars it seems by accident. These then take on lives of their own.

Peregrina · 05/08/2018 08:48

he refused the deal that gave him 80% of what he wanted.

Here's this 80:20 split again - 80% of Brexit is agreed, but as has been said, it's the last 20% which counts.

IrenetheQuaint · 05/08/2018 08:56

I'm really appalled that Bookmarks has been targeted by violent fascists. Have been there lots of times. It's just a little left-wing bookshop run on a shoestring FFS.

DGRossetti · 05/08/2018 10:12

I wonder if there's actually been some sort of Tory pact to go for no-deal, as that's the only way they can play "Not me guv" with the electorate ?

One wonders what the point of Liam Fox is (an exercise that precedes Brexit, by the way) if by his own prediction, we are heading for No Deal.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45073294

DGRossetti · 05/08/2018 10:13

Also it comes to something when Priti Patel can get the media space to lecture Theresa May.

Who sacked who ?

ClashCityRocker · 05/08/2018 10:25

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/998404/brexit-news-france-marks-and-spencer-sandwiches-frictionless-border-eu-theresa-may

Yup. Whilst we worry about medicines and food, we can only hope that Paris heeds our warning on M&S sandwiches and persuades the rest of the EU to give us a magnificent free trade deal....

'coz they need us more than we need them, right?

Agustarella · 05/08/2018 10:33

@BigChocFrenzy is right. The POTUS is perhaps the one individual with the power to have prevented Brexit, or at least to dilute its toxicity into some kind of BINO. I was never a Hillary Clinton fan, but she would have stopped this madness.

Mrsr8 · 05/08/2018 11:09

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HesterThrale · 05/08/2018 11:29

DGR I wonder if there's actually been some sort of Tory pact to go for no-deal, as that's the only way they can play "Not me guv" with the electorate?

Yes. Any ridiculous reason is just as likely as any other ridiculous reason for that national act of avoidable suicide. I've posted this before but I think it's another plausible reason:

James O'Brien Nails Why Leavers Now Want A No-Deal Brexit

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-nails-why-leavers-now-want-a-no-deal/

Apileofballyhoo · 05/08/2018 11:32

That couldn't be it, Hester. They wouldn't put their personal ambitions before the good of the country.

Oh wait. They would.

Thomasinaa · 05/08/2018 11:37

That's horribly plausible. The bastards.

HesterThrale · 05/08/2018 11:47

Yes. TM has tried for 2 years to find a way to unite her party (NOT to unite the country, note) and she's failed. Because in this situation, a compromise doesn't satisfy BOTH sides, but NEITHER. She has an impossible job.

And anyway, the Chequers compromise has been rejected by Barnier.

Something major must happen this autumn to finally sort this out.

Yaralie · 05/08/2018 11:57

On Sunday 17th June, the Prime Minister again claimed that there will be a “Brexit dividend” for the NHS, taken from the payments which the UK makes into the EU’s budget as an EU member. This was part of an announcement by the Prime Minister that the NHS would receive an additional £20bn per year by 2023. The “Brexit dividend” has been widely debunked since its announcement.

It is simply not true to say that this additional £20bn funding for the NHS will be funded by any kind of “Brexit dividend”. As Paul Johnson, the head of the IFS think tank confirmed yesterday, “there isn’t a Brexit dividend”. As even the Government’s own impact analysis has shown, Brexit would make this country worse off under every possible scenario, meaning less money to spend on the NHS and other public services.

On top of this, the Government has committed to pay a £40bn divorce bill, and to pay for access to specific EU programmes.
Instead of a dividend, Brexit is damaging the NHS and causing a staffing crisis. With these facts only now coming to light it is only right that there is a People’s Vote at the end of the process.

www.open-britain.co.uk/debunking_the_brexit_dividend_myth

DGRossetti · 05/08/2018 12:23

Meanwhile, Tom Watson gets 90% of people who voted Labour going: WTF ?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45073081

Imagine if William Wilberforce had worried that Abolitionists might risk "eternal shame" over the fact that they were printing their pamphlets using Comic Sans ? It really seems that level of lack of perspective.

DGRossetti · 05/08/2018 12:25

Instead of a dividend, Brexit is damaging the NHS and causing a staffing crisis

well, there's some grim irony in the fact that it's older, poorer people who'll die first as always a result.

DGRossetti · 05/08/2018 12:30

Our weekly shop at Sainsburys yesterday came away with no sugar, as they were completely out of stock of white, granulated. Apparently they'd had a "supplier issued" with metal being found in the sugar HmmHmmHmmHmmHmm

To be fair, the Morrisons a mile away had plenty in all sizes (and it was cheaper/Kg Smile) so we stocked up Grin.

You need sugar to make up a wash to distil Grin. We won't be sober until 2020 .....

BigChocFrenzy · 05/08/2018 13:11

Yes, MrsR I keep insisting on his full title:

"Disgraced former defence secretary and Werrity sniffer Liam Fox"

partly because of my fear he might sniff his way into adding PM to his lists of titles < shudders >

Yes, that's a disgusting thought, but atm
"the sky's the limit"
or rather
"There is no bottom to this hell"

BigChocFrenzy · 05/08/2018 13:14

imo, if Labour members are not sufficiently ashamed / responsible to fully tackle anti-semitism in their party,
then they deserve to end in the dustbin of British political history
along with the Tory party for the Brexit clusterf@@k

BigChocFrenzy · 05/08/2018 13:27

Dunno if I believe this:

According to German publication faz.net:
during that infamous dinner before A50 with Juncker - which was leaked -
May suggested to him that they should fake Brexit "like they did with the Lisbon treaties." Confused

That's allegedly why "someone" leaked after the dinner: faking Brexit was too cynical even for Juncker.

HesterThrale · 05/08/2018 13:46

Silly season non-news, or the start of some serious political re-groupings?

Cable in secret talks with Blair ally over new Lib-Lab pact

www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20180805/281522226904822

Tanith · 05/08/2018 13:52

The shocking thing is that it is believable. Choc

ClashCityRocker · 05/08/2018 13:55

Jesus I hope to god if it was said it was tongue in cheek... If not, it just shows the contempt she holds uk citizens in...

Tanith · 05/08/2018 13:56

Also when people on Mumsnet bang on endlessly about how grey and ghastly the past decades were, they might want to spare a thought for the libraries, the WEA, Local Authority evening classes and the beginnings of the OU.

Tell me how that fits in with Austerity and the thinking (or what passes for it) of the current Government.

DGRossetti · 05/08/2018 13:59

DG Please use Liam Fox's full title... "Disgraced former defence secretary and werrity sniffer Liam fox"

The problem, if those words keep appearing near the name "Liam Fox", then search engines will assume they are meant to be together, and everytime someone searches for "Liam Fox" , the search engines "AI" will suggest did you mean "disgraced former defence secretary Liam Fox ? . And everytime someone then clicks on any of the links returned within that listing, the search engine will make a positive weighting between the phrase and the name, thus reinforcing the association.

Bear in mind, people have gone to court over such things - it's where the "right to be misunderstood- forgotten" started ...