OK, lets put it this way, what do we want done?

[Clairetree1]

Its all going so badly and everyone is worried, but what can be done?

Do we want another referendum and the whole Brexit thing aborted? Do we want another leader doing something different? Do we think Teresa May is doing everything that can be done?

I say "do we think" but to be honest, I don't think anything either way of Teresa May, I don't know what to think.

I don't know what could make things better at this stage

Clairetree1
Some german officials seem to be even hoping UK airspace will be shut down, as a lesson to anyone else thinking of exiting the EU.

They have never forgiven us. Have they?

Clairetree1
Some german officials seem to be even hoping UK airspace will be shut down, as a lesson to anyone else thinking of exiting the EU.

Please add the link or reference to the "german officials" advocating this. I Googled but couldn't find.

s all going so badly and everyone is worried, but what can be done

Everyone?
I’m not, & neither are the majority of the country. Most of us just want to leave as quickly as possible.
HTH.

Surferjet you have triggered my anxiety. I hope you're satisfied!

Any luck finding a reference or source to the comment from Clairetree1 Some German Officials hoping UK airspace will be shut down, as a lesson to anyone else thinking of exiting the EU.

Here we go again....

surferjet
When you say "majority of the country" you mean all those who voted for Brexit. You've had this debate before - you know that's not most of the country.

I think what is actually going to happen as the time draws near is that Labour will change their policy and will say that this shambles is not what we voted for. The government won’t be able to get their plan through the commons and we will have a general election with Labour running on a remain manifesto. Their will win a landslide election. A50 will be extended (the EU have said this is possible if the political landscape changes) and then legitimately withdrawn legitimately as the will of the people has changed.

If that doesn’t happen before the deadline and we have a chaotic exit then similar will happen but we won’t be able to rejoin in the same favourable terms as now.

Either way this is the end fir the Tory party for a long time.

I think moderate Labour Party members are leaking stuff about JC and the holicaust to get rid of him, not the Tories as I’ve read elsewhere.

*sorry about all of those typos.

I understood that something like 36% of the eligible voters voted for Brexit. My maths isn't great but that isn't 'a majority'.

The vast majority of people who voted remain just want to get on with it now actually - it’s only a tiny minority of hardcore remainers ( many of whom are living abroad so have their own agenda in all this ) who want to frustrate the Brexit process, or stop it altogether - the vast VAST majority just want to get on with it yes - most definitely.

Even if 2 million remainers want Brexit stoped, ( & I doubt it’s anywhere near that many ) that’s still a drop in the ocean compared to the 30 million people who voted.

Brexit will not be stopped.
Complain & moan all you like.
Throw insults around until the cows come home.
Predict planes falling out of the sky all day long.
Nothing will change.

Brexit means Brexit.

& to be honest, the closer we’re getting to leaving the nastier some of you are becoming - which speaks volumes.

Hopefully we’ll have a brexit that works for the majority - but some of you will not be satisfied with anything other than not leaving at all !

I think the ultimate solution will be multi-steps.

Step 1: stay in the customs union
Step 2: take time to solve problems that are roadblocks to leaving the customs union
Step 3: leave the customs union
Step 4: request to be part of the EU again

I want us to leave with no deal leading to the country being on its knees and for Leavers to actually realise what they've caused.

How sad. Unfortunately I'm coming round to this way of thinking too. And I say that as one of the very few people who will benefit financially from Brexit (assets and pensions in non-GBP), have a family with a veritable stockpile of passports and has been a very outspoken reamainer including making monetary donations to the cause.

But it was more than Leavers who brought us here. It was/is the apathy of youth that didn't bother to vote, the widespread derision of experts by the ignorant and the sheer collusion of the Labour party which has cemented the referendum result in parliamentary procedures and utter disregard of the government to address proven illegally in the Leave campaign.

This situation has taught me, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that "nostalgic" British values of parliamentary democracy, rule of law, tolerance etc. lie firmly in the past. I think a period of "tough love" will be required to generate the change required to bring them back (if ever).

The only people I feel sorry for are the remain voters, EU citizens and British expats who will pay a very undeserved, heavy price for this. And I really do feel heartbroken for them.

And of the Brexit vote how many voted for more money for the NHS? If money was given to the NHS then their desire for Brexit would fall away. To curb immigration? Sovereignty? Let's say about 1/3 of each so probably 25% actively want Brexit, although I have yet to hear one give a concrete reason why. Sovereignty which we never lost. Which laws don't they like? Can't come up with one, never mind that they only have about 5% of EU law to choose from, since we either proposed or supported the rest. Immigration - we already had powers to curb immigration which we didn't use, and kicking out the Muslims who came from the rest of the world wasn't one of the options so that won't happen.

I must say, I can't see Labour having a landslide at the moment - it's time they woke up and remembered that they are The Opposition, not the Rubberstampers of Tory Policy.

And.... yet again throwing this out there.. you have people who voted leave, like me, who never considered anything other than the option of remaining in the CU /SM (Norway deal) who think that we absolutely should NOT just "get on with it". If the choice had been remain or no deal / hard brexit I would have firmly voted remain.

The vast majority of people who voted remain just want to get on with it now actually

define "vast"? This poll does not say that vast majority of Remain voters aren't bothered now. I would be resigned to Norway deal, bad as it is, but that's apparently not allowed. I personally know loads of Remainers living in UK who are very unhappy about Brexit. I recently (finally) met one person living outside UK who was eligible to vote (& he is a remainer... his family will be affected badly).

Complain & moan all you like.
Since the Euroskeptics moaned for at least 30 yrs, we've got plenty of catchup, that's true!!

Sometimes I want a cliff edge Brexit coz I don't think anything else will convince fervent Leavers of the disaster they voted for. :(

Most countries are part of a free trade union, organised geographically. The world economy works that way these days. So even if there is a crash-out, the UK will need to seek to be part of a trade block. The EU is the most lucrative as it is the closest in distance and culture.

I often read this: we put more into the UK than we get out of it. I you look at payments and funding, that is true. But if you look at increased trade, reduced costs as som things are organised together rather than seperately, then that statement is false.

In the end, a hard brexit would only serve to appease an irrational fear that some people have. It wouldn't serve the country as a whole. So what to do? Give (some) people what they want emotionally or give people what they need rationally?

What I can predict with certainty is that people like Farage, Redwood etc. will do a bunk. Or should that be 'do a Cameron' i.e. stir up the shit and let someone else clear it up?

AdaHopper: what you describe has always been the only viable Leave process I could imagine. I am baffled that govt. are faffing about with any other path.

White man van takes on Rees Mogg.

The vast majority of people who voted remain just want to get on with it now actually

I'd love to see the source for this bold statement.

Also, what does 'get on with it' actually mean?

I wish we'd 'get on with it' and admit we aren't leaving SM/CU (as it's the only workable option) but I suspect that's not what you would mean.

I want us to leave with no deal leading to the country being on its knees and for Leavers to actually realise what they've caused

The poorer leavers won’t realise it- they will blame the eu/foreigners or may.

The ‘comfortably off’ leavers- like surfer jet and all the brexiteers she knows, dont care about the economic consequences.

I agree.
If remainers are so bitter that they’re wishing ill on leave voters, they’re object of hate is very misplaced.
Blame your remain campaigners who did such a shite job.
Blame the young who couldn’t be bothered to vote.

The vast majority of people who voted remain just want to get on with it now actually - it’s only a tiny minority of hardcore remainers ( many of whom are living abroad so have their own agenda in all this )

Where on earth do you get this crap from?

surferjet there is nothing wrong with asking questions and requesting accountability. I thought that more than anything else was the reason behind your vote to leave the EU (more accountability to the people, not less). There is a big question mark over the current strategy and over any form of brexit. You say the majority wants to get on with it? Democracy is not about shutting up minorities. The main feature of a dictatorship is to suppress political pluralism, that's surely what you don't want.

Never blame the comfortably off leavers who don’t give a shit about the economic consequences!