Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Brexit
Original poster

OK, lets put it this way, what do we want done?

628 replies

Clairetree1 · 01/08/2018 20:02

Its all going so badly and everyone is worried, but what can be done?

Do we want another referendum and the whole Brexit thing aborted? Do we want another leader doing something different? Do we think Teresa May is doing everything that can be done?

I say "do we think" but to be honest, I don't think anything either way of Teresa May, I don't know what to think.

I don't know what could make things better at this stage

OP posts:
MrHoolieswaistcoat · 12/08/2018 09:57

frumpety and Peregrina that’s absolutely spot on about the double think of hard core Leavers.
I don’t want to derail but I think I mentioned a while back that I am in rehab for alcohol addiction. On Friday I had to attend a review conference at social services and listen to people talking about how my drinking has affected my children. It may well also lead to me losing my job.
What was my first thought when I got out?
I need a drink.
I didn’t have one and I recognised the insanity of my thoughts but a few months ago I wouldn’t have done and would have found a way of justifying it to myself - I’ve had an awful year, social services are liars and bullies, it’s not as bad as they’re making out etc. I imagine that the thought processes I would have had a while ago are similar to those of hard core Leavers like he/she who cannot be named. But I think the more moderate Leavers and those who didn’t vote are open to reason.
I was watching an item about Trump the other day which had 8 people who voted for him. 2 of them said that they thought he was a disgrace and deeply regretted their vote, 4 said that they weren’t happy with him but they thought that some of the things he was doing were good and the other 2 were adamant that he was the best thing to ever happen to America and that his Presidency was actually better than they had hoped for. In terms of Brexit, those 2 would represent the hard core no deal headbangers who it’s pointless engaging with but I do believe that there are a large number of Bregretters and abstainers out there who tend to keep quiet but are watching in horror as this car crash unfolds.

frumpety · 12/08/2018 16:59

You get people who simply cannot be wrong , I have a close family member who is like this and as a result I avoid certain topics as they are scary when discussing them. I don't think they have any awareness of how odd they sound.
The vast majority of remainers would be delighted if Brexit actually didn't cause any of the issues highlighted by the governments own reports.
It really is one of those situations where I would be over the moon if I was wrong Grin

Ta1kinpeace · 12/08/2018 18:48

It really is one of those situations where I would be over the moon if I was wrong
I have lots of those
its depressing when I see the dire level of decision making in Whitehall

Yaralie · 12/08/2018 19:02

If they get their way and brexit is allowed to happen, of course the ensuing calamities will always be someone else's fault. These brexiters are in denial.

PestymcPestFace · 12/08/2018 19:16

We are not leaving Europe and maintaining sovereignty.
We are transferring to the US and losing all control, otherwise we will get a subtle regime change and be landed with Mr Johnson the well known seaside puppet.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/us-ambassador-woody-johnson-donald-trump-iran-nuclear-deal-theresa-may-a8488451.html

frumpety · 12/08/2018 19:19

The thing is the entire population was presented with the same information , some of the population decided the no plan way was best and some of the population thought the no plan way was probably a bad idea. So it boils down to risk , but where you are in life means that the risk to you personally might be less or more. So if you own your own home outright , have a guaranteed pension or income and are healthy and able to weather price rises in food etc , then the risk is possibly minimal. Everyone else needs to be prepared.

PestymcPestFace · 12/08/2018 19:27

frump the whole population was not presented with the same information, Cambridge Analytica made sure of that.

Ta1kinpeace · 12/08/2018 19:34

except that lots of leave voters don't "do" FB

frumpety · 12/08/2018 19:44

I would disagree with that Pesty, if I had been presented with the same information that CA and the Leave campaign put out , well it would not have altered my personal view, because I can see stuff and think about it and ponder on its veracity and how much of it is linked to evidence and facts, then I make my mind up. The whole point of the Leave campaign was not to have ANY plans , because it was an unwinnable argument.

And for what its worth , I did see a lot of the stuff that was put online during the campaigning because I have an eclectic range of FB friends. Nobody who is an out and out fascist , but boy they come close at times !

frumpety · 12/08/2018 19:52

Funny you should mention FB Peace , one of my leave voting friends doesn't do FB , but through other forums she was fed 'information' , stuff that really didn't stand up to scrutiny in the cold light of day, friends of online friends stuff , clever really when you look at it, I may think he is an odious well read twat , but hats off to Dominic Cummings ! Shame he was on the wrong side morally.

Ta1kinpeace · 12/08/2018 19:53

but hats off to Dominic Cummings ! Shame he was on the wrong side morally.
He always has been
he was the architect of Academy schools
for which every pupil in the country should condemn him for ever

LeftRightCentre · 12/08/2018 19:58

So if you own your own home outright , have a guaranteed pension or income and are healthy and able to weather price rises in food etc , then the risk is possibly minimal.

Those people were fools to assume the risk was possibly minimal because there's no guaranteed pension or income when your currency hits the kids or when food becomes unavailable.

But hey, seriously, leavers are barking up the wrong tree if they think there's going to be some Blitz spirit (which again, a myth, a police state was put in place during that time, you couldn't even moan about the war without being arrested, crime soared, etc etc).

KennDodd · 12/08/2018 20:04

leavers are barking up the wrong tree if they think there's going to be some Blitz spirit

Yes, blitz spirit, but leavers will be the enemy as they caused this.

LeftRightCentre · 12/08/2018 20:20

Pretty much, Kenn. Fuck 'em. I'd happily throw them under a bus if the shit hits the fan and my family is affected.

bellinisurge · 12/08/2018 20:24

@LeftRightCentre me too. My compassion left the day Leave won.

frumpety · 12/08/2018 20:25

But did they Kenn ? I don't think those who voted leave did actually cause this , I don't know many people who voted Conservative purely because of the EU question, I think a lot of people were told they did after the fact. I think the key to solving the whole issue is getting those who voted to leave to realise who did actually cause it , those who will really benefit from it
Most people I know who vote Conservative do so because they believe in stability , economic certainty , pragmatism and they are the party of business. Nobody could think that now , they look like someone has spiked their drink

Yaralie · 12/08/2018 20:34

A lot of people voted Conservative because of Jeremy Corbyn

LeftRightCentre · 12/08/2018 20:34

They knew exactly what they were doing, frump. And there's nothing to solve, they still want to leave. So hey, off they go. I'll give the first push when it goes down the swanny. Gits. Unless you moved money offshore or collect your pension in another country, a useless currency is a useless currency.

Ta1kinpeace · 12/08/2018 20:42

A lot of people voted Conservative because of Jeremy Corbyn
I very much doubt that
they may not have voted labour
but they will not have voted for the party of May / rees-Mogg / Johnston / Davis / Redwood / Fox

frumpety · 12/08/2018 20:46

Ah Left I am too much of a left wing liberal to agree with that sentiment , mores the pity Grin

I don't want it to be shit for anyone , although I may harbour dark thoughts about the key protagonists developing whopping great pilonidal sinuses and having really clumsy nurses doing the daily packing with blunt tweezers Grin

LeftRightCentre · 12/08/2018 20:49

The likelihood is that it will be shit for all of us. Our currency never recovered.

Peregrina · 12/08/2018 21:01

I fail to understand the Leavers who even now go on about 'sovereignty' and 'control' but are totally happy about making the country a vassal state to the USA. Moreover, a USA whose status in the world is now beginning to decline with the rapid rise of China.

LeftRightCentre · 12/08/2018 21:05

Declining US? On the contrary. They've aligned with Russia. The dollar's been rising again.

Ta1kinpeace · 12/08/2018 21:07

Relative to the Rouble, EVERY currency is rising
Russia's economy is dust
and Trump is in hock to them, as are the Brexit crew
perfect

Peregrina · 12/08/2018 21:10

Why have they aligned with Russia, though?