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OK, lets put it this way, what do we want done?

628 replies

Clairetree1 · 01/08/2018 20:02

Its all going so badly and everyone is worried, but what can be done?

Do we want another referendum and the whole Brexit thing aborted? Do we want another leader doing something different? Do we think Teresa May is doing everything that can be done?

I say "do we think" but to be honest, I don't think anything either way of Teresa May, I don't know what to think.

I don't know what could make things better at this stage

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jasjas1973 · 10/08/2018 14:13

*There's much more information out there now and there's absolutely no excuse for those who still refuse to acknowledge that whilst still insisting leaving the EU will solve all our problems8

Of course there is and you re right, people should be capable of admitting if they are wrong.
However, its not in the gift of any member of the public to stop Brexit, only T.May can do that.
I believe in terms of leaving the EU, she is as hardcore as JRM, only the type of exit deal divides them.

Peregrina · 10/08/2018 15:44

I don't agree, I think sufficient protests from members of the public can stop something, as with the Poll tax. However, at the moment, we seem to have a particularly cloth eared and self serving Government, who will only listen if they see the advantage to themselves.

As for 'working together to make Brexit a success' - no, my priority will be family and close friends. I won't consciously do anyone down, but if they voted Leave it's up to them to work for what they want.

Bearbehind · 10/08/2018 16:49

I don't agree either.

If people who voted Leave stood up and said 'this isn't what I voted for' things would be far easier.

There's still a definite 'will of the people' vein to everything the government is doing.

It's actually a ploy to be able to blame the people when the shit really hits the fan but if the 'will of the people' was seen to not be 'no deal' then this fiasco could be resolved more quickly.

The problem is those Leavers, like our friend on here, who resolutely refuse to acknowledge any of the realities of leaving.

jasjas1973 · 10/08/2018 17:54

Need to remember that well under 1/2 of the electorate voted for Brexit, there is no overall majority for it.
Yet despite this the Government are pushing for it because their membership want it, May wants it, so does her Cabinet and the opposition want it, Labour aren;t even calling for a 2nd vote on any deal reached!!!

I think its wishful thinking that May would abort brexit if only the opinion polls swung behind remain.

Ta1kinpeace · 10/08/2018 18:42

I am a first generation economic migrant.
I come from neither the EU nor the Commonwealth.
I was granted ILR status a very long time ago (cos there were no controls back then)

Once Theresa racist xenophobe May became Home Secretary, the UK government decided to charge exhorbitant fees for visas, even to ILR holders.
Her civil servants estimated that there were 250,000 people at that time living in the UK with ILR
how we all laughed
Then the US embassy pointed out that there were more than that number of registered US voters in the UK.

The fact is that the UK Government has absolutely no idea how many forriners are living here legally.
They stopped doing exit stamps in passports in the early 90's
They never kept a record of who had ILR and why

But the UK has the highest Visa fees in the world
so residents have no incentive to get their papers sorted.

I did. It cost me well over £2000
money that many people do not have.

The UK immigration problem was created by Theresa May and the tabloids
Brexit will do nothing to change the population figures.

frumpety · 10/08/2018 19:22

Thinking about something that he/she who should not be named but allegedly hails from Lincolnshire said earlier, the factory where everyone local used to work, did away with overtime and decent pay and suddenly all these EU types just happened to pop up and offered to do the work instead. Anyone else think that the factory possibly advertised for EU staff in the EU , you know like farmers do for seasonal agricultural workers ?

LeftRightCentre · 10/08/2018 19:29

I'm not at all interested in 'working together' to make Brexit a success. Fuck leavers. I'm more than happy to emigrate if the shit hits the fan here. They can keep the country they voted to fuck up.

KennDodd · 10/08/2018 19:36

working together to make Brexit a success

Who was the first one on the thread to write this bollocks?

Maybe they can explain how exactly I do this and what difference you think it's going to make.

frumpety · 10/08/2018 19:36

Well my offer is still there for a bit of part time FTA negotiation, I think I have the skills.

LeftRightCentre be sure to send food parcels with your postcards when you emigrate, be handy for us poor souls left behind Sad

frumpety · 10/08/2018 19:41

Kenn we need to get together to rebuild and make it a success , by believing that the UK is going to be a global market leader with diverse and fluid options that will act in a holistic manner to encompass key strategy rich solutions ( see told you I have the skills ) Grin

KennDodd · 10/08/2018 19:43

So I just wish really really hard?

bellinisurge · 10/08/2018 20:02

No intention of trying to make Brexit work. That's for Leave voters to do. I will do what I can for my daughter, including getting her Irish citizenship so she continues to have the option to live and work in the EU. Which Leave voters tried to take off her.

frumpety · 10/08/2018 20:08

Kenn yes , but you also need to put your special face on, the one where you forgot your sunglasses , so you need to squint a bit , whilst appearing slightly surprised ( if you can raise one eyebrow in a quizzical yet interested fashion you get bonus points) purse your lips in a thinking of greater and more important things way and tilt your head ever so slightly to the left or right depending on your conscious involvement in the situation. Do not let your head thud back into the wall as you slip into a dreamy slumber , this apparently is very bad form Wink

KennDodd · 10/08/2018 20:12

No intention of trying to make Brexit work. That's for Leave voters to do

They're all bloody retired though. Although if 'working together to make Brexit a success' means just wishing really hard I suppose they'll have more time that the rest of us to to do that.

frumpety · 10/08/2018 20:14

Or constipated , that face does just as well Grin

Bearbehind · 10/08/2018 20:19

This has been bothering me today.

I genuinely can't comprehend the rationale of 'She who can't be named' but I don't think it's a unique position.

All the time people are thinking like that, we've got no chance.

We actually really do need to hit rick bottom to make it sink in.

UnnecessaryFennel · 10/08/2018 20:30

Poor Rick Bottom, he may not have even voted Leave (sorry Bear Grin)

Bearbehind · 10/08/2018 20:54

😂😂😂😂

frumpety · 11/08/2018 07:04

Bear I can comprehend the rationale of those people , I just happen not to agree with their solution to what they see as a problem. This is because the facts show that the problem isn't what they think it is and the solution will make things much worse.

That and there is still no fucking plan !

Best way forward would be to revoke Art 50 , and put a cross party group together to come up with an actual workable plan that doesn't involve wanton destruction or non functioning technology.

AdaHopper · 11/08/2018 08:02

Cos a picture is easier to understand

OK, lets put it this way, what do we want done?
TheElementsSong · 12/08/2018 08:19

Cos a picture is easier to understand

Sadly, the answer (as we've seen above) is - "Waah, the nasty EU didn't stop OUR government from doing those things, therefore we should leave." How this sits with the contradictory "Nasty EU interfering in OUR sovereign internal affairs" is conveniently never brought up in the same post.

bellinisurge · 12/08/2018 08:26

@KennDodd - not as simple as saying all pensioners voted Leave. I know a few who didn't. I also know a few middle class university educated people who voted Leave.
Obviously my anecdata isn't enough. However, the only way this goes is badly and people have to see it for themselves.
Remain chatter will be just that - chatter. We need some hard core Leavers to admit this has screwed things up.

Peregrina · 12/08/2018 08:34

The two pensioners in this household, i.e me and DH, didn't vote Leave. Nor did MIL,(Much to my surprise, because what the Daily Heil says is gospel to her.)

frumpety · 12/08/2018 08:42

Bellinisurge I have noticed that too , a lot of the issues were the fault of the UK government, yet it is the EU's fault for allowing them to be rubbish , so what is the point of being in the EU if we get the governments we vote for ? It's so topsy turvey !
Then we keep getting the whole we are going to change the way things are run , how ? which party is going to campaign at the next election for the end of FPTP ? not Labour or the Conservatives as it suits them just fine.

Peregrina · 12/08/2018 09:23

But when the EU does get involved, we get Leavers screaming about lack of Sovereignty.