To ask if those panicking about Brexit realise they've been had?

[Growingboys]

Honestly, it's pathetic.

This is Project Fear mark 2, spin designed to stop Brexit happening. Politicians and wonks hope that if they spread enough fear around, which is what all these ridiculous 'prepping' threads are, they will stop us leaving the EU.

Everybody needs to calm the fuck down, stop digging their underground food stores/adding some more tins to the Ocado order, and realise this is spin, pure and simple. The world will continue to turn, and food will continue to be on supermarket shelves, regardless of what happens with Brexit.

I am very sad at the lack of sense and backbone so many people are showing here, regardless of views on Brexit.

I'm off to have a gin and put my feet up. I might even eat something from my freezer tonight rather than save it for armageddon #dicingwithdeath

We could mention the famines caused by British ineptitude (to out it kindly) in Ireland and Bengal. But I'm sur it will be fine if we all pull together. Just like it wasn't in those cases.

Where has anyone officially said we willhave a shortage of things such as insulin.

If it's such a remote-to-zero possibility that there'll be food and medicine shortages in the immediate aftermath of a no-deal Brexit, then why do there need to be two threads set up to sneer at people's worries?

Why don't you just join one of the other threads, set up by people who are concerned, and explain how it's going to work?

A few requirements:

• genuine knowledge about the legalities and logistics of import trade, and a willingness to explain this without using LOL, ?!?! or any reference to tinfoil hats.
• acknowledgement that we do import more than 'champagne and cheese'
• no reference to the second world war being harder than this. 'Is this worse than being bombed by rapidly-approaching Nazis' is not the ideal way to measure any country's state

Bonus requirement: no reference to how well we were doing in the 1970s and during the empire years, since that has no relevance to the current trade/import situation.

The good news is, if you can manage this, you should probably be Prime Minister. Get in there and stage a coup.

@shewore, I think as a previous poster has said, at the moment there is literally nothing to be positive about. If I could see a way forward, if I had confidence that a deal could be done I’d feel more comfortable. But there is no plan. Can you please tell us what the positives are ?

why do people think 'they need us more than we need them'. Our trade with the EU is a much larger proportion of our gdp than the EU's trade with us relative to the EU gdp. Add in that any special treatment of us threatens the basis of the EU and we haven't a prayer of a deal that is better than we have.
Every EU state that trades with us has 26 other states to take up the slack plus the external deals that provide access to one third of the world's GDP. We will have zilch available at brexit+1.

I live in the US and so far Trump has brought more prosperity here to the US

I'm sure everyone who has lost health insurance under Trump agrees with you.

I agree with ivykaty44
With changes to universal credit and panic spreading, the government will fall and I really fear civil unrest
No idea when panic will hit
I'm getting stuff that I will use anyway and squirrelling it away
I've never prepared for anything before but as the grauniad says today, supply chains are fragile

I grew up in the UK before we were part of Europe and it was much better in those days. Much, much better.

ok, so you realise that the population has increased by over 15% since then, and available farming land has decreased by the same amount? you realise to what extent our dependency on electricity, transport and fuel has increased by, not only to supply food and medicine, but simply in terms of distance between home and work, etc. You understand what a fragile condition our environment is in?

Even if our population was as small as it was before we were part of Europe, and our food capacity was as large, we STILL would not be able to provide for the population with modern day requirement, more elderly, more fuel needs, less capacity to exploit the environment,

we are not who we were then, we do not have what we had then, because there are more of us, and we all need more, from less land and fuel supplies.

As pp have said it is Brexit supporting ministers who are raising the issue of stockpiling in case of a no deal situation not remainer Mumsnetters.

We didn't get to actually have a referendum because a few rascists in costal towns wanted less immigration or because 51% of the population are thick or because ULip demanded one.
There were very real concerns about the size of the EU and lack of political control from the people who actually do business in and with the EU.

Yes you leave a relationship you may have to sleep on as friends sofa and get drunk everynight. And then it gets better
No one likes change but you'd be very wrong to think some good won't come out it eventually even if it takes a generation.

OP- just don’t stockpile yourself then if you are so certain. And don’t expect anyone who has prepped to help you if it all goes tits up.

Simple really. A bit like you.

@shewore I have no doubt that the U.K. will recover ....after some years of hardship....to be in a very similar place economically and politically as it was before when it was part of the EU. And we had a referendum coz dickhead Cameron promised one to appease dissenters in his party. That was the reason 🙄

I'm buying some extra stuff. I'd love it if you were right ...

Exactly how much pasta and loo roll should i be stockpiling?

shewore but again you haven’t been able to name a single positive and are even now saying that it’s ok to take a generation for it to happen... this was not what leavers voted for.

A whole generation is most of our working lives, if we have to wait until then to see any benefits at all then it means that not only will opportunities for growth and prosperity have been taken away from us in our most productive working years, but we will also be less well equipped to finance our old age so we will be robbed of opportunities for improved quality of life then as a consequence too.

At what point was this ever something that the majority of voters actually wanted?

Plus if the economy is further negatively impacted, taxes will have to rise and public services decline whilst national debt will soar, leaving our children’s generation paying the interest for many more years to come.

All for what exactly?

You do realise that the EU want you to think this don't you?

They are hoping Britain stays in so are desperate for us to be scared into staying. Even the outbacks of Mongolia have supermarkets full of food, and hospitals that are stocked.

We will revert to WTO agreement and continue as before.

It's like Y2K all over again.

🙄

Everyone needs to calm down.

A lot of the articles PP have posted include the words "COULD" in the headline. There's your clue right there. No one is actually saying "WILL".

Brexiteers could easily counter stockpiling threads by starting threads stating the benefits of Brexit.

Rainforest are you saying that the day after we leave the EU we will automatically use WTO? Without any negotiations?

Well I grew up in the U.K. before it joined the EU and it was truly shit, if you want an alternative point of view.

Well said, plumsofwrath! Absolutely no point at all. You must be scratching your head at some of the histrionics on here, be assured not everyone's completely lost the plot over it however it may seem!

DazzlingMilton

So the children of tomorrow will leave in an independent state with their own laws. The UK of tomorrow will have a government that is truly independent and democratic.

So even if there were a few avocado shortages or whatever it would be worth it, because in the long term we do not want to be part of the European superstate.

Brave post OP, but they will chew you up and spit you out. The collective ire of MN for "knuckle draggng" Brexiteers knows no bounds. You are correct of course, but that won't stop them.