To ask if those panicking about Brexit realise they've been had?

[Growingboys]

Honestly, it's pathetic.

This is Project Fear mark 2, spin designed to stop Brexit happening. Politicians and wonks hope that if they spread enough fear around, which is what all these ridiculous 'prepping' threads are, they will stop us leaving the EU.

Everybody needs to calm the fuck down, stop digging their underground food stores/adding some more tins to the Ocado order, and realise this is spin, pure and simple. The world will continue to turn, and food will continue to be on supermarket shelves, regardless of what happens with Brexit.

I am very sad at the lack of sense and backbone so many people are showing here, regardless of views on Brexit.

I'm off to have a gin and put my feet up. I might even eat something from my freezer tonight rather than save it for armageddon #dicingwithdeath

I've just been wrong my entire life - it is actually a way of life that I have accepted as part of me and no longer feel it necessary to explain myself or anything about me. I'm just wrong.

The best bit about being 'wrong' is that, over time, the Wrong is proved Right after all and the Wrong is accepted as Right.

To be like me you have to be happy to be like Marmite - hate me, love me or don't care.

I voted to Leave - it seems so very wrong - but really it will prove, over time, to be the right thing to have done.

@Hate, sorry, come again ?

@plums, I think being concerned about a life saving drug being unavailable is pretty fucking important isn’t it

OP

I would feel happier if it wasn't politicians who are pro-Brexit telling us to stockpile, and if I didn't have 3 meds to take.

what agenda would the pro-Brexiters have for advising us to stock up? I know TM isn't really pro Brexit - is it that no one is pro Brexit and there will be a last minute pull back?

At the very least, hard Brexit would cause a significant increase in the price of food and medicines, because they will need to be imported from further afield and/or subject to higher trade tariffs. This will lead to increases in the cost of living, and potentially higher taxes, to fund the increased costs to the NHS. On the other hand, the cost of housing may go down a bit, because no-one's going to want to live here

Op it is better not to engage, the bitterness of the remoaners is staggering, it is the only thing that gives them pleasure is the idea that they would love to see the country crash and burn than to come together for the good of the country. It is truly pitiful.

Enjoy your gin and tonic and tune out of the doom and gloom, let them stock pile the beans if they want. We all know they are being pathetic. Even my remainer friends find it utterly ridiculous.

OP, for me to feel confident in any situation I need a strong degree of certainty about what the outcome will look like. As you seem to be confident enough to dismiss the concerns of those who don’t believe it will go well, exactly what Brexit do you think we will get and what will it mean in terms of jobs, prices, supply chains, costs etc?

This is the problem I have had all along. Leave voters blindly telling everyone all it will just be fine but with absolutely nothing to back it up. Even BoJo and DD when they resigned STILL didn’t say what they would actually have done differently.

There. Is. No. Plan

Until we can be given something credible, people are right to worry about what it will mean for them. Pro-Brexit ministers have been given the benefit of the doubt for more than two years since the vote, it’s perfectly rational for the country to start worrying when we have 6m to go and nothing on the table at all.

@Plumsofwrath "If the British government can’t ensure an adequate national supply of a basic drug like insulin in conditions that aren’t nuclear fall-out, you’ve got bigger problems on your hands than leaving the EU!"

well yes. I don't think the government have covered themselves in glory in organising anything for about ...oh, my whole life?!

and what will it all cost? I'm on the NHS pre pay but I bet that will double or triple or be made invalid.

gnome and do you really think other countries will stand by and see 1 million people die because of a trade deal? Would we do that to France, Germany, Begium etc? No. We will not end up in position where overnight those supplies will just be stopped if it meant people would die. We might end up where they refuse to sell us Brie or whatever but we'll cope with that for a while.
The EU rely on our market more than we rely on theirs for most things. They will want to reach agreement with us as much as we will with them.

Plums - you've read anything about the recent British governments right? You are aware that the government for at least the last 20 years has been an utterly incompetent shitshow of failed reality tv stars who are only interested in keeping on the right side of Rupert murdoch and Paul Dacre while bagging themselves a few juicy jobs for post - political careers.

They cannot organise anything significant or complicated. See pfi, housing, National id database, universal credit, etc etc.

To be so confident surely you must be the person sorting out the procedures for importing goods into the country, and agreements with each country.

Please, enlighten us, and tell us how it’s all going to work. The government might be interested to hear from you too BTW.

Oh and LuluJakey Norway may not be in the Eu but, as my OH has just pointed out, it is in the customs union, so won't be able to sell it to us either!
It's a pharmaceutical, so doesn't come under WTO rules - has to be a bi-lateral agreement.

But expect you knew that.

If you went to Europe on holiday in 2016 where you happy to get Euros at the price they were after Brexit vote or would you rather have had the price before the vote?

Plumsofwrath my ancestors ruled nothing. EVER. Distant or otherwise.
I come from a long line of serfs and peasants. Like most of us on this soggy little island in the arse end of nowhere.
I'm under no illusion about our place in the world.

It will be produced in the UK...

Congratulations on opening the facility to do this and employing people with the appropriate skills, not to mention negotiating the appropriate contracts and means of distribution!

What a investment.

The report was written by 'remainer' civil servants to draw up the very worst case scenario, which they duly did.

I could also write a similar worst case scenario on the outcome of Trump and Putin, or the next Ebola outbreak or the flu pandemic coming our way this winter, and it would be just as terrifying trust me.

I am sure the world will continue to sell us food and medicine, we are NOT talking about the world, just the EU. I am not sure how happy the French, Spanish and Italian farmers are going to feel when their UK market dries up, nor the vineyards, and the car makers or just about every other thing.

It is not going to happen and is all part of the deal making. Will those wailing hysterically please for Gods sake get a grip please.

The fear mongering reminds me of what the Left wing media has done to Trump. I live in the US and so far Trump has brought more prosperity here to the US yet they will have you believe he is the devil himself. The same fuckers buried all the Obama scandals.

I grew up in the UK before we were part of Europe and it was much better in those days. Much, much better.

anyway, whatever anyone ruled in the past, we have no idea if their rule was efficient or not!

it's the absence of anything vaguely resembling sensible admin that's really striking, as I say, for a whole lifetime of government really.

in local terms, my council is one who doesn't even keep gritters any more - we have to borrow them from outside the borough, or there's boxes of grit we can use ourselves. the council will still pay for all sorts of Town Twinning officer shit but they won't pay for gritters. We had a bus overturn by the local hospital on snow days so of course - end of bus journeys (understandable but all this the fault of local govt).

I cannot put faith into officials at any level. tbh i nearly didn't vote because I could see both sides - but the reality bit that that government has a terrible track record of handling even small change - at least for the ordinary Jane on the street. Others will be looked after of course. But not regular folk.

This is Project Fear mark 2, spin designed to stop Brexit happening. Politicians and wonks hope that if they spread enough fear around, which is what all these ridiculous 'prepping' threads are, they will stop us leaving the EU.

Everybody needs to calm the fuck down, stop digging their underground food stores/adding some more tins to the Ocado order, and realise this is spin, pure and simple. The world will continue to turn, and food will continue to be on supermarket shelves, regardless of what happens with Brexit.

Dominic Raab is in charge of planning. He's a Brexiteer.

The former No Deal Minister Steve Baker, who wanted to publicise contingency planning for no deal before he resigned, but was not allowed to, step up the hardline proBrexit group the ERG which Rees Moog is now heading up.

These are no project fear remainers.

These are people who think no deal is better than a bad deal, and actively would not be unhappy with the military being deployed and there being food shortages, as long as we get back this ridiculous notion of sovereignty - which is the very currency of making ANY trade deal.

You don't get trade deals without compromising on sovereignty in some way.

So unless we have a desire to become North Korea, at some point there is going to be some hard decisions over our sovereignty to be hard.

Personally, given the choice of being a 'vassal state' of the EU or the US, I think I'd go for the one with leaders who can speak good English and like healthcare.

And yes, it does ultimately boil down to a choice between the two, which we will all find out eventually one way or another.

but these threads encourage panic buying which leads to shortages in the shops.

no, the government wants suppliers to stock pile, but they don't have the capacity or the logistics.

The best solution is for the stockpiling to occur all around the country in millions of individual homes,

It won't cause shortages, suppliers are able to ship in the extra, they are just not equipped themselves to prepare for industrial size stock piles, rationing and security - why would they be? if they specialise in tinned tomoatoes?

Since you all seem so sure, please can a pro-Brexit poster tell me exactly what The Plan is?

I don’t know what Brexit is going to mean and the only way we can have certainty that all the supposed risks will be mitigated is to actually know what will happen.

Please don’t just keep saying it will all be fine, that’s hasn’t helped so far

But it's happening.

Why talk about the negatives ALL the time. Why scaremonger and spread panic.
Do you want to be right or do you want be happy as Oprah says.

Get over yourselves and get on with thinking about how it could be. Because life has moved in from 1971 and we are in a global market.

Universal credit is coming in for many areas just before this...this government is fucked

Charolais "I grew up in the UK before we were part of Europe and it was much better in those days. Much, much better."

I respect that but my worry is if the govt can handle transition - so far, not so good.