To ask if those panicking about Brexit realise they've been had?

[Growingboys]

Honestly, it's pathetic.

This is Project Fear mark 2, spin designed to stop Brexit happening. Politicians and wonks hope that if they spread enough fear around, which is what all these ridiculous 'prepping' threads are, they will stop us leaving the EU.

Everybody needs to calm the fuck down, stop digging their underground food stores/adding some more tins to the Ocado order, and realise this is spin, pure and simple. The world will continue to turn, and food will continue to be on supermarket shelves, regardless of what happens with Brexit.

I am very sad at the lack of sense and backbone so many people are showing here, regardless of views on Brexit.

I'm off to have a gin and put my feet up. I might even eat something from my freezer tonight rather than save it for armageddon #dicingwithdeath

leave - live

Brexiteers could easily counter stockpiling threads by starting threads stating the benefits of Brexit.

Yes exactly, I’m all ears... where have they all gone ?

Best tell Jacob Rees-Mogg that he doesn't need to move any more of his assets to Ireland.

I don't get why the brexiteers care what anyone does. Why does it matter to you if Sandra next door has a few extra cans of chopped fucking tomatoes?

How's about instead of telling us we're hysterical and to calm down, you keep your schnoz out?

I grew up in the UK before we were part of Europe and it was much better in those days. Much, much better.

How do you know what life the UK is like now? Don't you live in the US?

It's the people who voted for Brexit who have been had.
Brexit is a hurricane: we don't know exactly where it's going to hit, and how hard, but it's still a disaster.

Well said plumsofwrath

This reminds me of the panic over 2000. Everyone thought all the computers would crash and the world would go into meltdown. Nothing happened at all....

We will of course fall back on WTO agreement of course. It MAY be that we pay more tariffs on some things, less on others, but it is the accepted framework that works with 164 member countries.

We are not going to run out of food or medicine, not now, not ever.

At what point do you think the Leavers will realise they’ve been had?

Never. Because if the dream doesn't work out it wouldn't be because the dream was unrealistic, it would be because that mean EU and those treacherous non-believers spoilt it all.

Honestly OP, scaremongering was exactly my first thought too but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't going to have a bit extra in stock, just in case.

And we are going to agree all those tariffs the day after we leave the EU? Cos we can’t do it until we leave so do you not think that there is a chance that for say 2 weeks there will be no trade agreements in place and that they may be a distribution to the supply chain?

Most people that voted for leave are not going to involve themselves with the silly fantasists on here. Don't forget we had to listen to Project Fear One and that was a complete dud, so now is the sequel and along with Alvin the Chipmunks it becomes ever more shrill.

Put your beavers away, stop shrieking and keep telling yourself the second vote is coming (it isn't)

rainforest but we already live in an independent state and make our own laws, whilst having a full veto on any laws that are proposed by the EU, a veto which has never been overturned in the history of our membership. We voted for everything we have, in fact in many cases we proposed it!

We will never have a government that is truly independent and democratic as long as it is driven by the press, we are far more independent from the EU than we are from them. Further, there won’t be a shred of independence left when the rest of the world dictates to us how they want to run a trade deal and we capitulate to multiple actors because we are on our own, whilst being forced to accept the regulations and immigration demands of other countries just to make up for what we have lost by leaving the EU.

So there’s nothing tangible in your perceived benefit whatsoever.

Anything else?

While i agree with a little bit of stockpiling for emergencies, I really sometimes wonder.

How on earth did Britain manage to survive everything upto now but we wont make it through Brexit??

I imagine the WTO tariffs will be set once the talks collapse in October. After the autumn it will be pretty obvious the chequers deal is dead in the water (It already is) TM will be replaced, and we will be leaving with either one of two plans:

A deal similar to Canada (will not be ready in time but may be a small extension)

Or a hard brexit

@lightonthewater

...and why might that have been? in my industry, Telecoms - we identified the systems that didnt recognise y2k and got rid or up graded so they could still talk to systems that did but you re obv an expert in software & hardware design, so you know best or maybe you re just an idiot?

Nope - WTO negotiations can not happen until we have officially left the EU

Unfortunately despite being told many times of the issues surrounding the supply of medicine, the government have only just woken up to the complexities of pharmaceutical supply and the issues (some life threatening) of disruption in this. Ministers have been too busy stupid to listen to industry and now have a limited time to sort out the problems and make sure in the event of a no deal brexit they can maintain supply.

I personally know many of those working on the industry side and they have been trying now for well over a year to explain what will happen and what we need to be doing - and until very recently no body in government has been listening.

DazzlingMilton

but we already live in an independent state and make our own laws, whilst having a full veto on any laws that are proposed by the EU,

No, we don't. You show a staggering lack of knowledge. Much of our laws literally thousands of them come from the EU! The EU has the final say on even how our apples are weighed. Not to mention who fishes in our waters, who should be allowed to come and live here, what benefits they are entitled to. The EU decides almost every single thing, our government is utterly powerless to change it.

You may not care that a undemocratic elite rules from Brussels or should I say Berlin but most of us do - a majority of us do clearly by the results.

Your grasp on this subject is so lame as to be embarrassing.

What's all this "we have to pull together to make it work" shit? I'm not at all happy about leaving the EU at this precise point with this little (or no) preparation at impossibly short notice, but I'm not in a position to stop it happening; I'm just going to trudge on with work, life etc the same as I would if I were delighted. Moaning about Brexit (and what a bloody stupid word that is) is not going to make things worse. What stands a chance of making things better is sensible planning. Not necessarily stockpiling tins, but, you know, having some kind of interim trade arrangements with the trading bloc we've been increasingly integrated with over the last 40 years, so we don't just go "oh... er, I thought we'd buy it from the other place" when we haven't yet come to any arrangement with potential other sources.

Those other countries are not, btw, just sitting on massive stockpiles of stuff we want, wishing and hoping the UK would come and take it off their hands. They'd need to build up capacity to trade with an extra customer. They've got trade deals of their own, local customs agreements, treaties, transport infrastructure... you don't just send the PM or the SoS for Trade over to make a deal and it's done in a week and the stuff starts flowing in both directions straight away.

Like Charolais (interestingly, a breed of beef cattle - a French breed!) I also was growing up in the UK before we joined the EEC, as it was then, but I strongly disagree that "it" was much, much better. As ever, some things were better, some things were not so good. As far as trade went we had a Commonwealth up till then, i.e. another bunch of treaties and standard practices as a comfy cushion, rather than trading as an independent nation in the open market. We dumped that and embraced the EU instead - probably a bad move at the time - but 40 years on we've become very integrated with and reliant upon the EU, and make no mistake, it is going to BLOODY HURT unless the fragrant Mrs May (of whom I admittedly have never been a fan) manages to negotiate the softest of soft Brexits as an interim measure. She is not frustrating Brexit by doing this, she is trying to reduce the short-term negative consequences. It doesn't have to be a disaster, but if we just crash out ("the Brexit the people voted for") it definitely will be.

Even if the plane is on fire, jumping out without first securing a parachute is pretty much guaranteed an unhappy ending. That the parachute came with the plane doesn't mean it will prevent you from escaping; that it will slow your descent doesn't mean it's keeping you away from the nice safe ground for its own foul purposes. The ridiculous part is that the plane, rackety old thing though it is, isn't even on fire yet...

Maybe the fact that it seems to be so incredibly hard to leave the EU shows how hidebound we are by it and how little control we actually have over our own affairs.

Or maybe once you've banded together with your neighbours to make a cake, it's really messy to suddenly turn around and demand your eggs back.

And while we are on the subject, both food and medicine run on just in time supply chains. It doesn't take very much disruption of these before we have shortages. In the event of a no deal, even small customs delays will have a huge knock on.

If government want to stockpile medicine they had better get a shift on as the manufacturers need about 6 months notice so they can increase production in order to give you a buffer, and they are going to have to find some specialist warehousing to store the stuff.

LuluJakey1

Of course your mum will have her insulin - it just won't be produced in France or Germany or wherever it comes from. It will be produced in the UK or the USA, Canada or Norway.

Except the UK doesn't produce it.

And Germany, Denmark, and France (spot the theme here?) collectively exported between 85 and 96 percent of global retail insulin by value between 2004 and 2013.