To ask if those panicking about Brexit realise they've been had?

[Growingboys]

Honestly, it's pathetic.

This is Project Fear mark 2, spin designed to stop Brexit happening. Politicians and wonks hope that if they spread enough fear around, which is what all these ridiculous 'prepping' threads are, they will stop us leaving the EU.

Everybody needs to calm the fuck down, stop digging their underground food stores/adding some more tins to the Ocado order, and realise this is spin, pure and simple. The world will continue to turn, and food will continue to be on supermarket shelves, regardless of what happens with Brexit.

I am very sad at the lack of sense and backbone so many people are showing here, regardless of views on Brexit.

I'm off to have a gin and put my feet up. I might even eat something from my freezer tonight rather than save it for armageddon #dicingwithdeath

"ouldn’t you all be better off making the best of the situation you find yourselves in and supporting each other and your government to get the best deal possible"
I'd love to. How?

www.wired.co.uk/article/brexit-impact-on-uk-drug-prices

This seems to be seen as a "small" issue in brexit but I think it will very quickly become a very large one if a no-deal comes to fruition.

@TattyCat

Germany - Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Volkswagen, Skoda
France - Citroen, Renault, Peugeot

You missed Czech Republic/Poland/Slovakia - Kia, Hyundai, Mazda (and Skoda)
Netherlands - Mini
Spain - Ford
Romania - Dacia
Germany - Opel/Vauxhall
Italy - Fiat
and a few others.

When the UK car plants close next year, you can add Nissan (Romania and France), Mini (Austria), Jaguar/Land Rover (Slovakia)

Do you think they will want to stop selling cars to us?

As you can see, almost all cars bought in the UK are either made in the EU (or at present assembled from parts imported from the EU).

After Brexit, if you want to buy a car, you can either buy from the EU (and pay 15% more than the current price) or you can boycott the EU and buy a …. er… um … Hindustan Ambassador - which is a 1954 Morris Oxford, built in India. UK consumers are not going to stop buying EU-produced cars as there are very few alternatives - which is why the German manufacturers were not banging on Frau Merkel's door begging for a deal the day after Brexit, as Johnson had so confidently and totally incorrectly predicted.

To illustrate how relatively (un)important the UK market is to a manufacturer such as VW - VW sells 10 million vehicles a year worldwide each year. 4 million of these are sold in China alone. UK sales are about 250,000, or around 3% of VW's global sales. If they lost a few thousand UK sales, they would hardly notice.

Please can all you leavers explain to me, in ACTUAL DETAIL, how the tariffs on imports will work post a no deal brexit? My entire industry is in a spin about it so if one of you oh so wise people could help me out I could make a bob or two before my business goes tits up.

TIA!!!

yet another reason the general public should never have been given a vote on something they don’t understand

I do think the GPB are generally a bit dim and malleable, but Brexit referendum took the biscuit.

If what you want is chaos followed by a nasty right wing authoritarian regime led by the Mogg-Gove-Johnson then all's good.

What jobs were "closed off"? And why?

supporting each other and your government to get the best deal possible

I haven’t yet seen an actual, practical series of steps each individual could take to achieve this. It always boils down to “Think about puppies and Christmas and keep chanting ‘Wingardium leviosa!’”

I think people were had at the bus slogan.

Ignorance is bliss should be the Brexiteers motto.

Just because you voted for something without having any idea how it would impact you and millions of others. ... Oh that was my entire point really.

Anyone who had any idea of the benefits or negatives of being in the EU voted remain. Those who voted for Brexit didn't check what precisely it meant and how many people would be negatively impacted by their action.

Ignorance really is bliss.

@TheElementsSong - hope my tedious rehashes of sensible advice haven't passed you by to help with sleeping.

For a lot of people I know who voted leave the benefits have already come to fruition. They are now in a job which otherwise would have been closed off to them

Like what?

I find this quite hard to believe.

I'm off to have a gin and put my feet up. I might even eat something from my freezer tonight rather than save it for armageddon #dicingwithdeath

I'm with you OP.

There seems to be a rather stupid and gullible type of person out there that believes everything they read on the internet or are told by someone with a tie on.

Luckily most of these fools don't exist in the wild & only pop up on sites specially designed to attract them & allow them to "mass panic" together.

This makes it easier for the smarter "un-gullibles" to identify their posts & ignore their bleating....

I sometimes wonder if Love Island is being promoted in the media as a handy divertissement away from the horror of Brexit...

though ironically 'love' will be in short supply in the civil unrest scenario and those lovely young things on LI would be people as a group who would have voted Remain.

@Oliversmumsarmy can you list the jobs as I am struggling to think of what these might be.

Wow. Some people believe that leaving the EU will cause such shortages that we will have no electricity, fuel or food because no-one in the world will sell anything to us because we are not in the EU.

More to the point some people also believe that it’s critical we stay in the EU as the organisation, which would see British people starve or die from lack of medicine given the above, is best placed to represent our interests.

On the tariffs post Brexit point.... none of us know how it would work as the details of the Remain leaning government’s agreeemtn with the EU are not known. One thing IS clear though. Tariffs are incident, ie paid, by the importer. This means they make the person buying poorer by making goods cost more. Keeping tariffs high on things not made in the UK is fundamentally moronic and a monumental act of self harm beyond parody. That is however what we agree to by being members of the EU. Tariffs raise the market price of specific goods, even those same goods not imported. So we can’t buy X tariff free but we can buy French X? Well French X, by virtue of being behind a tariff barrier is more expensive than it would otherwise be. Brilliant.

The future of the UK after a no-deal Brexit is in the hands of our government, and I won’t be thinking they’ll fuck it up until they haven’t. Evidence isn’t in their favour, and it isn’t all the Leavers fault. Hammond refusing to fund no-deal preparations last year is an example. That was so monumentally stupid it beggars belief this man is Chancellor of the Exchequer.

@Oliversmumsarmy For a lot of people I know who voted leave the benefits have already come to fruition. They are now in a job which otherwise would have been closed off to them

Sounds implausible at best. Name the job description, why being in the EU closed the job off to them, and why being out of the EU will make a difference (NB - we haven't left yet). I'm calling bullshit on this.

Well, thank goodness. Here I was listening to the head of the British pharmaceuticals association re: insulin shortages, and the British Retail Association regarding the feasibility of industry stockpiling to deal with the government's expected supply chain interruptions, when REALLY all I need to do is listen to someone online who names herself something-ardvaark.

Phew! Forget all those girl guide lessons about being prepared, I'll just sit back and wait for whatever our kamikaze overlords have in store for us next Spring.

Can all those posters who work in the pharmaceuticals industry, or logistics, or local government, or wherever, please stop posting about your filed of expertise? What the fuck do you know? We must listen to Sharon and Bert from Basingstoke, whose pearls of wisdom gleaned from the Daily Mail are equally as valid as yours.

The political orthodoxy doesn't intend to enact Brexit in any meaningful sense, so they are having a pop at whipping up hysteria.

You will also hear lots more about how leavers are all part of some terrible party, in league with some foreign power (probably Russia), and possibly some equivalent of blood libel as they close on Not Doing Brexit, because when they choose not to do democracy they are effectively choosing violence by a state without legitimate authority (which is fundamentally the only alternative) and there will need to be a casus belli for making war on millions of the electorate - arresting/shooting people who become unruly then becomes the only workable solution to avoid civil unrest.

History repeats itself without end. There are always people who think what the newspapers say what they should think.

More to the point some people also believe that it’s critical we stay in the EU as the organisation, which would see British people starve or die from lack of medicine given the above

No, this belongs to the Brexiteers, not the EU.

Hammond refusing to fund no-deal preparations last year is an example.

Probably because Hammond didn't think the government would be stupid enough to go through with no deal.

@WiseDad Are you actually aware of how many free trade deals the EU has around the world, which we'll be walking away from? We can't simply remove all tariffs from certain countries. That isn't permissible under international law and other countries will challenge us under WTO rules.

And what if we abolish all incoming tariffs? No one in their right mind is going to reciprocate. Why the fuck should they? We've just bent over and let them take us up the arse. How does your balance of payments forecast prediction change with that?

Time to change your user name.

I love the conspiracy theories, too. "The elite never planned to allow our Brexit to happen, so they have just been PRETENDING to be hyper-nationalistic and hopelessly incompetent for two years, but it is all in fact a cunning plan."

Yeah, like Baldrick's cunning plans.

Remember, if you get a few more tins of food in when government and industry admit that supply chains are going to be screwed that makes you 'gullible,' but if you think every CEO, regulatory body, minister, back bencher, newspaper, and food retailer has been conspiring to stop the people's Brexit, you are being totally sensible.

Perhaps we can have a poll now, but make it very public. those who choose not to stop Brexit can be last in line for food and medicines, and fuel, and first in line for job losses.

To balance it I'm happy for them also to be first in line for unicorns when they get handed out.

There’s always something to scare the (ignorant) masses with. Keeps them down and talking about pasta and loo roll (or fags and booze depending on your needs) instead of interfering.