To ask if those panicking about Brexit realise they've been had?

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Honestly, it's pathetic.

This is Project Fear mark 2, spin designed to stop Brexit happening. Politicians and wonks hope that if they spread enough fear around, which is what all these ridiculous 'prepping' threads are, they will stop us leaving the EU.

Everybody needs to calm the fuck down, stop digging their underground food stores/adding some more tins to the Ocado order, and realise this is spin, pure and simple. The world will continue to turn, and food will continue to be on supermarket shelves, regardless of what happens with Brexit.

I am very sad at the lack of sense and backbone so many people are showing here, regardless of views on Brexit.

I'm off to have a gin and put my feet up. I might even eat something from my freezer tonight rather than save it for armageddon #dicingwithdeath

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Oh shit... Better go get me some baked beans and Andrex!

'and i mean with facts and figures that are absolute certainties'
like the certainties we have from the brexiteers? (name one - any one will do.)

how about the fact that since the vote the uk has gone from the fastest growing economy in the g7 and the eu to the slowest. That we have lost growth equivalent to 3 times our eu contribution.

that won't be recovered - jrm reckons it will be 50 years before the country sees a benefit - what is that if its not stealing our children's future?

Lolz this panicking is just like the millennium bug!!

It is actually fairly similar to the millennium bug in that there was a potentially huge problem and loads of people who were completely ill informed said "it's no big deal it won't be a problem". Then absolutely loads of people who were incredibly knowledgeable went to huge amounts of effort to prevent a huge problem and the uninformed smugly claimed "see look I told you it's all fine".

It's fairly similar to ant-vexers. Who cares what the experts say as long as I'm sufficiently cushioned by people less stupid than me I can continue along in complete ignorance and all my problems will be resolved for me (at massive expense to the rest of the population).

and i mean with facts and figures that are absolute certainties

Is anyone really this cretinous? You mean people shouldn't worry about having sufficient food and medicine until it's 100% certain that there will be shortages? If there is a 1% chance of having medicine shortages that is a massive catastrophe as it is the chance is significantly higher. Good lord would you board a plane with a 0.1% chance of catastrophic engine failure? Not a chance!

How do anti vaxers get brought into Brexit hysteria? Never sensible to not vaccinate.

A little over $300 billion was spent across the globe prepping for the millennium bug.

OP, I totally agree with you (and I voted remain BTW). Have some .

Everyone who boards a plane boards one with a chance of catastrophic engine failure. Nothing is 100% safe.

Whoever it was asked about regulatory framework in the pharma context (@Gabilan I think?), erm wouldn’t the UK’s regulatory framework the day after Brexit occurrs be exactly the same as the day before, just adopted into local legislation with appropriate adjustments (eg references to EU institutional organizations being to UK-corresponding organizations, which will admittedly at that time be underfunded and ill equipped to deal with such problems, but hopefully for you guys, temporarily so)? What else would, could or should it be?

I go back to my first post on this thread. Why all the panicking and moaning? This could be a veritable BOON for your country: massive employment opportunities, deregulation over time that will make Maggie’s Big Bang look like a damp squib. I’m pretty confident the UK will prove to be the first country to leave the EU, and as such you are in pole position to reap allllll the advantages of having intellectual property, certain natural resources and a fuckton of diplomatic and security heft on the world stage OUTSIDE the EU. It’s there for the taking! Without a strategy you’ll find yourselves pimping your purchasing power out to the lowest bidder, but with cunning - which the Brits are skilled at - I’d want to think of this as an opportunity for your country. Not being tied to the EU’s legal, regulatory, diplomatic and political framework, except where you choose to follow it, could be a fantastic opportunity.

Without a strategy you’ll find yourselves pimping your purchasing power out to the lowest bidder, but with cunning - which the Brits are skilled at - I’d want to think of this as an opportunity for your country.

We already pimp ourselves out selling arms to the Saudis. Somebody has to do it, it may as well be us, and I expect we'll be doing a lot more questionable trading post-Brexit because we'll be so fucking desperate.

ItsAlmostSummer twofingers if you are talking to me - I wasn't, but you just crack on with your sky falling in metaphor. As others have already said, it's NOT remainers who suggested stockpiling/think the sky is falling...

"I know no one in real life who is stock piling anything. Just the MumsNet massive."
I'm a prepper. If you mentioned it to me in real life I would laugh and say it sounds like a great excuse to buy Prosecco. I would also say I'm sure it'll be fine.
You wouldn't know.

When are you moving to Britain then Plums since you make it sound like such a utopia?

@Plumsofwrath No that is not how it will work. We can not simply adopt EU law into local law for med device and pharma because it points to bodies which will no longer serve the UK. It takes a HUGE amount of time and resource which the UK doesn't have to set up a functioning regulatory bodies. I was brought here as a highly skilled worker 10 years ago because the UK simply doesn't have nearly enough people (clinical/regulatory) who work in med device/pharma. There are LESS of us now. The brain drain caused by Brexit is real. You don't just replace top medical/academic people at the drop of a hat. Two of my best friends had senior posts with Health England have left the UK because of Brexit...they haven't filled the posts....they won't frankly. There is no way on God's green Earth this will not be a problem with a no deal Brexit. You can sort out lack of builders/fruit pockets etc. PhD Immunologists - not so much! I have no dog in this fight really. I'm not a Brit. I can take my family and go home.

As for intellectual property, Brexit isn't going to free anything up. At all. That's not how it works.

Deregulation of things like medicines and devices is NOT A GOOD THING. You go on and inject that dodgy insulin and let me know how it works out.

"Not being tied to the EU’s legal, regulatory ... framework"

This is just the wet dream of the nasty wing of the Tory party:

"Bonfire of red tape" - when you read how they plan to increase profits by billions it's all about:

+cutting workers rights: for maternity, disability, dismissal, holidays for agency staff, joining unions, far more ZHC etc -
+cutting environmental protection,
+cutting product standards - especially in food e.g. chlorine chicken and hormon-ridden beef from the massive US industrial farming & agriculture sector.

It is a great opportunity for the tiny very wealthy minority, to make even more millions

• at the expense of the bulk of the population who will have far fewer rights and worse living conditions

@Plumsofwrath No that is not how it will work. We can not simply adopt EU law into local law for med device and pharma because it points to bodies which will no longer serve the UK. It takes a HUGE amount of time and resource which the UK doesn't have to set up a functioning regulatory bodies. I was brought here as a highly skilled worker 10 years ago because the UK simply doesn't have nearly enough people (clinical/regulatory) who work in med device/pharma. There are LESS of us now. The brain drain caused by Brexit is real. You don't just replace top medical/academic people at the drop of a hat. Two of my best friends had senior posts with Health England have left the UK because of Brexit...they haven't filled the posts....they won't frankly. There is no way on God's green Earth this will not be a problem with a no deal Brexit. You can sort out lack of builders/fruit pockets etc. PhD Immunologists - not so much! I have no dog in this fight really. I'm not a Brit. I can take my family and go home.

As for intellectual property, Brexit isn't going to free anything up. At all. That's not how it works.

Deregulation of things like medicines and devices is NOT A GOOD THING. You go on and inject that dodgy insulin and let me know how it works out.

@Stinkerbelldust Absolutely spot on. Farage spoke of civil unrest. Just try seeing what medicine, fuel and food shortages gets you. Don't worry though, there'll still be no shortage of Unicorns.

I think to some extent this is similar to the millennium bug though ... there is a lot of work being done behind the scenes. Most of it not coming from the government. Lots of companies have massive Brexit programmes and are independently speaking to European regulators about what will be expected of them and where certain services need to be performed from. I know my own company has an extensive plan that is already half implemented. I’ve spoken to friends who work at other companies in the same industry and they also have a huge resource dedicated to the transition.
I’d be flabbergasted if supermarkets hadn’t talked to suppliers and didn’t have a few plans worked out - for crash out and no deal through to some soft Brexit scenarios.

I think the truth lies as ever somewhere in the middle. The world will not end. We will cope. Some things may get more a little expensive but people will get on with their lives. Some will barely notice the change but that doesn’t mean there weren’t loads of people behind the scenes working very hard for the last two years.

What exactly are the benefits of Brexit

For a lot of people I know who voted leave the benefits have already come to fruition. They are now in a job which otherwise would have been closed off to them

I think Project Fear was directed at the home owning middle class but for those at the other end of society what was said seemed more of a positive than a negative.

I think what was written on the side of a bus was irrelevant to a lot of people. They had made their minds up before any politician had opened their mouths.

I think David Cameron as PM didn't seem to know the mood of the country and any PM who actually got out and circulated with people outside their group of like-minded people without dismissing their worries and concerns of what was happening to them would have realised it was an unwinnable referendum.

It was like watching a combination of a bad horror movie where the group decide to pursue a path that the audience can see is very unwise and car crash tv.

You know what is going to happen but the people who should see are not listening.

I know it's been said already but..

It must be rather relaxing, being too stupid to worry

“For a lot of people I know who voted leave the benefits have already come to fruition. They are now in a job which otherwise would have been closed off to them”

Can you let me know what those jobs were and why they were closed off to them?

If anyone has any sense they won't hard brexit. Crashing out without a deal would bring mayhem. The rich who all have multiple passports will wait it out in other countries. They will get medical treatment elsewhere. Food supply chain functions on a 'just in time' basis. There is no possible way for proper stockpiling from the industry. The most likely case is that food supply will keep coming in just fine but it will rise significantly in cost.

Medical supplies are going to be a real problem. Lots and lots of medicines have very intricate supply chains and require things like temperature controlled shipping. They cannot withstand border delays etc. US pharma companies have long hated that they can't charge the price they can in other markets like the US. Crashing with no deal would allow those companies huge amounts of power to charge the highest price possible. Trump has been very clear that he sees Brexit as a great thing....there's a reason. The pharma companies are preparing alright but not in the way you'd like! The Us private insurance companies see this as their great opportunity to enter the UK market. If the NHS can no longer afford medicines the us pharma companies win big and so do the insurance companies who will swoop in to fill the gap. These "opportunities" are what's being discussed.

They are now in a job which otherwise would have been closed off to them

Such as?

If anyone has any sense they won't hard brexit.

One flaw to this statement. Obvious to anyone who has been paying attention to politics for the last 2 years.

Yeah, it’s all going brilliantly, that’s why the government is forcing companies to sign NDAs, to stop them revealing anything about no deal plans...
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0368cb06-9296-11e8-86ee-e22d14bef8b7

Were you born this naive or did it come on later?

Can you let me know what those jobs were and why they were closed off to them?

Yes, this. How and why were the jobs "closed off"? And how come they now have these jobs even though we are 8 months away from leaving and currently still operating under EU regulation?

I can’t believe how much ignorance there is surrounding the issues with medications. Where they originate is not the issue. We are an island, supplies must come through European borders. Then there’s the ingredients - in the link above one manufacturer is having to resource or adapt 15,000 ingredients for medications.

I am stunned by how ignorant some people are of the realities here, yet another reason the general public should never have been given a vote on something they don’t understand.