To be scared by our apathy?

[Currywurstmitpommes]

Threads on here discussing how best to stockpile food, the government telling us not to panic but at the same time making the kind of plans we shouldn’t see in peace time.

All of this is self inflicted. Largely down to our politicians worrying more about their parties than the rest of us. Austerity making us feel poorer and running down our services. Now the scary reality of next March is getting closer by the minute.

Countries have managed to royally fuck themselves before up by blindly believing the government will sort it out before. Ask yourself do you really believe that all those 650 MPs in parliament are either competent or working in your best interests?

but... its not too late

Many believe it’s a done deal with no turning back. But it can be stopped. Here’s the proof.

Speaking on the BBC Radio Today programme this morning, French Europe Minister Nathalie Loiseau confirmed that the door “remains open" to the UK, and that we could stay in the EU “on the same terms”.

Commenting, Lord (John) Kerr, the architect of Article 50 and a leading supporter of the People’s Vote campaign, said:
“It’s up to us. There would be no price – political or financial – to pay if we took back the Article 50 letter, as the French Europe Minister today confirmed we can.
“The people should have the right to choose. They deserve their vote, once the present negotiation with the EU ends.”

We all need to making our thoughts and voices heard on this. Please dont’t leave it to others - its all our futures and those of our kids.

So write to your MP, sign the facebook petition and take back control!

I couldn’t agree more. The whole thing is beyond absurd. Absolute insanity.

My MP is a cunt of epic proportions in one of the safest Tory seats in the land. He is also a fervent Brexiteer, despite his constituency voting remain. Writing to him will achieve nothing I think, BUT I will do it. Thanks for suggesting it.

Sorry too strong? “My MP is unlikely to take much heed” would have been more polite.

He has really annoyed me though with a few of his votes in parliament. Hence the colourful language^^.

It's not apathy exactly.

Theresa May (and others, Trump etc.) are not open to demonstrations. Protests, petitions and the like.

They just carry on regardless. Because having chanced it a few times, they've realised that they can.

Can you think of anything at all that would actually invoke another referendum for instance? Protests and petitions won't work.

We are fucked, because it's all a power game to them. Their money insulates them from any fallout.

Lord Kerr has a bit of a cheek, considering that he drafted Article 50 in a way that places the leaving country at a crushing disadvantage relative to the rest of the EU!

It’s the will of the people. Leavers knew what they were voting for.

christy Is your MP very tall and a complete twat who can’t run the railways like mine?

In addition to writing to him asking him to defend his position on the Vote Leave law breaking ( on which he has been silent so far) - it is just chipping away and reminding them that we will not vote for them again. (Not of course that I ever did or would but he doesn’t need to know that!) The more pressure we put on the wider the pool of people who remind —these smug self-satisfied bastards— them that they are making themselves unelectable then it might help a tiny bit.

It can make a big difference though to those who are wavering and a bit undecided.

I'd like not to think I'm being apathetic however I recognise the democratic process created this shitstorm and however catastrophic I might feel this is going to be I do believe there is nothing we can do about it. We are not going to overhaul the political system to stop Brexit which is the only way it could happen that's not happening in the necessary timescale

If we all decide to give up because protests, petitions etc are meeting def ears do we just stand idly by while a bunch of argogant, ignorant cunts trash our country into a depression (and civil unrest) that will take 50 years to recover from.

Has the time come to move onto more direct methods?

You do realise that there was a referendum on this issue, yes? The majority vote was to leave.
I'm not saying I agree with it, btw, but would you protest an election outcome? Particularly in a country that has reasonably decent democratic process?

Susanne yes i would when it has been proven that one side cheated!

People protest against gov policy all the time it is part of the democratic process. Democracy does not just exist on Election Day.

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I have told all my family in the UK that if you can’t get out, then start prepping for economic collapse and civil unrest.

The UK is past the point of no return. If it opts to stay in there will be civil unrest as the will of the people has been ignored.

Sorry, I've been a bit out of circulation recently. Proven one side cheated?

I think it's total doom mongering.

Nothing will change fundamentally.

There will still be buffalo mozzarella in waitrose.

redneck I'm pretty sure we won't be in the same state as Greece or Italy, and they're remaining in EU.

yes the electoral commission has found them guilty! Gave the biggest fine they could but the govt decided it was not in the public interest to take it any further.

Has the time come to move onto more direct methods?

Such as?

curry you do know what the fine was for, don't you? Basically a funding technicality. And who is "they"

I'm looking forward to Scottish independence happening on the back of this illegal disaster.

look to the suffragettes, other forms on non- violent direct action? Basically the government snd leavers are relying on the fact that as a group remainers are ‘too nice’ to kick up a fuss.

Leavers are not so polite ( Going on my experiences of them) and that is why the govt is more scared of them than worried about doing the right thing by us and thr country as a whole.

funding technicality is fraud?

or do you just say its a funding technicality when you forget to pay for your shopping?

or to put it another way, we are supposed to respect this vote as democratic even when, in breaking the rules, the democratic process was violated.

Or we could actually force our politicians to make some effort. Some of us are working on this, the civil service is actually on it. They are taking advice from experts in trade, economics and international law to set out good post brexit plans. Unfortunately Teresa may is an idiot and the tories in general don't really give a shit anymore. There is good work going on behind the scenes, the government duesbt want to talk about it though because they are scared of backlash from people like OP that are desperate to stay in. The general population need to demand a post brexit trade plan and they need to do it now. There is every reason to be optimistic. The government is receiving some very good advice, they just need to be forced to follow it.