To be scared by our apathy?

[Currywurstmitpommes]

Threads on here discussing how best to stockpile food, the government telling us not to panic but at the same time making the kind of plans we shouldn’t see in peace time.

All of this is self inflicted. Largely down to our politicians worrying more about their parties than the rest of us. Austerity making us feel poorer and running down our services. Now the scary reality of next March is getting closer by the minute.

Countries have managed to royally fuck themselves before up by blindly believing the government will sort it out before. Ask yourself do you really believe that all those 650 MPs in parliament are either competent or working in your best interests?

but... its not too late

Many believe it’s a done deal with no turning back. But it can be stopped. Here’s the proof.

Speaking on the BBC Radio Today programme this morning, French Europe Minister Nathalie Loiseau confirmed that the door “remains open" to the UK, and that we could stay in the EU “on the same terms”.

Commenting, Lord (John) Kerr, the architect of Article 50 and a leading supporter of the People’s Vote campaign, said:
“It’s up to us. There would be no price – political or financial – to pay if we took back the Article 50 letter, as the French Europe Minister today confirmed we can.
“The people should have the right to choose. They deserve their vote, once the present negotiation with the EU ends.”

We all need to making our thoughts and voices heard on this. Please dont’t leave it to others - its all our futures and those of our kids.

So write to your MP, sign the facebook petition and take back control!

@Motheroffourdragons because the people who voted for it aren’t happy at the reality of being told we’re all fucked.

You have to wonder why people keep reporting threads like these. If you don't like them don't read.

The answer is pretty obvious, really

bygaslight a really well-considered post IMO, thank you for that. I think you make a lot of sense. I absolutely agree that the problems here go a lot deeper than 'to remain or not to remain'.

Gotta love how the narrative has slightly altered...

More Quitling lies...

If you meant quisling, then by definition you can't be a quisling for independence through a democratic process.

Being a "quisling" requires that you are aligned with an external entity that wishes to exert control over your own country, and suggests you prepared to lie and subvert due process to help it happen.

There was certainly a degree of complacency, I get that. It's infuriating how poorer communities have been ignored. 100% with you on that, and it's not just in the uk.
However let's be frank: brexit will make all these problems 1000x worse.
And don't get me started on the lies about FOM. You turn off one tap they will open another because the country needs immigrants. Polish one day, Nigerian the next, Caribbean yesterday... point is: lack of investment in housing, in schools and so on caused the issues you all describe. That and possible mismanagement at local level. Brexit is not the answer.

Given the fact we survived as a nation until 1973 without being part of the EU, I'll take my chances.

I am so over the "we don't want it" attitude and "the public were lied to". A referendum took place, the majority vote was to leave.

Can anybody who voted to Leave , explain why the government is asking businesses and organisations to stockpile medicines and food
it's not actually asked businesses to do this, unless everyone got a leaflet but me

That apathy and ostriching is absolutely terrifying. But people won't be told, so I'm not sure what can be done. Most of them think either Brexit has been and gone or think it's all scaremongering. They absolutely do not want to confront or consider even a small possibility things might not be rosy.

Hence I used the term Quitling. It's actually quite appropriate if you think about it.

And "Brexiteer" makes them sound like Devil May Care privateers, rather than sinister, rich and looking to make money at everyone else's expense...

cocoa you can't rely on the past to give you the answers here. It is uncharted territory.

The fact is, by demanding these threads are corralled away, the Leavers can then invoke the next level of circular excuse - namely "Oh, the Brexit topic is an echo chamber full of bullying Remainers, they should step out of their echo chamber and widen the discussion".

Given the fact we survived as a nation until 1973 without being part of the EU

So survival is your only benchmark. Funny, we were positively thriving until the referendum...

Oh here we go, But Brexit will hit the poorest hardest. Yeah, funny how that only ever comes up as an afterthought from my middle class friends, or on threads like this, when I raise these issues. It is not what you lot are centreing in your arguments, so stop pretending it is.

Membership of the EU hit the poorest hardest, when they spoke they were called racists. No commentators that I heard, none of my friends, after the vote were saying, 'gosh this really shows we weren't listening to low income communities. We need to deal with their issues' None, except Blair. It is blindingly obvious from the focus of their current discourse, that if Brexit were to be reversed, the middle class left were breathe a huge sigh of relief and it would be be business as usual, as before the referendum for the poor. Gosh, perhaps you would even pat yourselves on the back about how you have saved the poor from their own foolishness, job done, no need to do more.

Lol, just noticed we've been put back in our box!

What has 8 years of Tory austerity done for the poor? Or are we pinning this on the EU as well?

"funny how that only ever comes up as an afterthought from my middle class friends, or on threads like this"

Why the fuck do you think we're complaining about it in the first place!

Take your head out of your arse and look at the realities. Some pompous "oh, they don't really care about me" is not suddenly going to change Brexit from a clusterfuck into the promised sunlit uplands complete with cake eating unicorns!

Do you not think that at least some of the people trying to find a way out of this clusterfuck want to do because it's going to screw the poorest in society worse than everyone else?

Translation: Do you not think that at least some of the people trying to find a way out of this clusterfuck want to do so because they want to be part of the United states of Europe and don't care if it's going to screw the poorest in society worse than everyone else?

Yes, you could make a completely stupid point if you want, but that's not what I was doing...

Given the fact we survived as a nation until 1973 without being part of the EU

We survived without electricity and the internet too.

Shall we get rid of those coz it'll be fine?

Totally agree with you OP. I've already written to my MP a couple of times and will do so again. He wrote back, talking about the transition period, what had been agreed about EU citizens, etc, disregarding the fact that if there is a crash out Brexit none of this will happen. I am so sick of MPs who know that a hard or no deal Brexit will wreck the country still voting as instructed by the Tory (or Labour) Whips. They don't deserve to be MPs, if their only concern is their own immediate career prospects / personal profit.
Leave voters were, largely, conned into voting Leave. They, as well as those who voted to Remain, deserve another vote now that some of the truth of what Brexit will really mean is coming out.

big businesses moving jobs abroad (Rolls Royce?)

Has Rolls Royce confirmed they are moving jobs abroad then?

I must have missed that

I think the 2008 crash and the subsequent austerity measures hit the poorest the hardest to be honest Still going on in fact - millions of pounds of cuts still being made to services that in many cases the poorest depend on - nothing to do with the Eu and more the Tory obsession with small statism, cutting government to the bone.
I live in a town with a long history of socioeconomic deprivation

• I don’t think the free movement into the town of poorly skilled poorly educated and very distinctive east Europeans has helped the situation (mainly Roma from Hungary) and has fostered the perception that they are the cause of the towns ills rather than government policy and an inept council