To be scared by our apathy?

[Currywurstmitpommes]

Threads on here discussing how best to stockpile food, the government telling us not to panic but at the same time making the kind of plans we shouldn’t see in peace time.

All of this is self inflicted. Largely down to our politicians worrying more about their parties than the rest of us. Austerity making us feel poorer and running down our services. Now the scary reality of next March is getting closer by the minute.

Countries have managed to royally fuck themselves before up by blindly believing the government will sort it out before. Ask yourself do you really believe that all those 650 MPs in parliament are either competent or working in your best interests?

but... its not too late

Many believe it’s a done deal with no turning back. But it can be stopped. Here’s the proof.

Speaking on the BBC Radio Today programme this morning, French Europe Minister Nathalie Loiseau confirmed that the door “remains open" to the UK, and that we could stay in the EU “on the same terms”.

Commenting, Lord (John) Kerr, the architect of Article 50 and a leading supporter of the People’s Vote campaign, said:
“It’s up to us. There would be no price – political or financial – to pay if we took back the Article 50 letter, as the French Europe Minister today confirmed we can.
“The people should have the right to choose. They deserve their vote, once the present negotiation with the EU ends.”

We all need to making our thoughts and voices heard on this. Please dont’t leave it to others - its all our futures and those of our kids.

So write to your MP, sign the facebook petition and take back control!

star seriously? You seriously think brexit is a necessity because the nasty middle class will survive? Middle incomes are what's necessary for an economy like our to thrive. No middle class, no money/ benefits. The poor then become abjectly poor. Look at what poverty is like in places with a weak middle class. It's not something to wish for.

There was certainly a degree of complacency, I get that. It's infuriating how poorer communities have been ignored. 100% with you on that, and it's not just in the uk.....
Brexit is not the answer.
Yes, but nobody is even bothering to think an answer is needed. That is my point. That is why people felt so pissed off and ignored they voted for brexit. And still, no-one is discussing their issues. The hypocrisy of people pretending they were on the side of the poor has been exposed enormously by this vote. they can't even see the connection between their outrage over the resource threatening Brexit and the low communiteis outrage over resource threatening EU immigration,. That shows that the middle class remainers would have voted the same way as leavers in poor communities if they had been in those communities. We all behave the same, when our resources are threatened.

@Justanotherlurker RR will have to move some production to satisfy EASA safety and maintenance standards.

I know a handful of leavers. All but one don't usually vote and haven't the foggiest what they really voted for.
The other , who was fairly clued up on it prior to voting, has gone very quiet on it.
It's insanity.

Or we blame the people responsible for providing the resources who haven't Star

People can see the connection Stars but turning them into a destitute underclass is not the answer!

Genuine question: While we're talking about the frequently-mentioned trope that middle classes are ignoring the wishes of the poor for Brexit, do we actually have evidence that the rich voted to Remain and the poor voted to Leave?

I am in Scotland, and it's looking likely that this will lead to Scottish independence. And the unification of Ireland. Does England really want to be a small, isolated, poor and divided country on the edge of a prosperous Europe? Do English people really want to give up their employment and human rights, their free at the point of need healthcare, their prosperity, their power on the world stage, their ease of travel, etc, etc? So that a handful of posh gits can make a(nother) fortune?

"Does England really want to be a small, isolated, poor and divided country on the edge of a prosperous Europe?"

There does seem to be a certain Little England tendency involved.

Prepare for Farmageddon...

We could stay in the EU, make use of the immigration controls that are already allowed in EU countries, but that the UK government has been too lazy to implement, and use our powerful seat at the EU table to bring about change. Other EU countries are very concerned about immigration - and EU policy on immigration can change.

So nobody is going to be sent home as a result of the referendum, we will still have immigration after we leave, so the resources are still under threat as you put it Star ? But we will be poorer economically so those resources will be under even more of a threat. How is that a good thing ?

Can you move the Trump thread into the politics section then please? In the interests of consistency.

And while they're about it, could MN have a 'parent and child parking' section, an 'annoying neighbour' section, a 'pyjamas in supermarket' section etc etc because those topics consistently clutter up AIBU and get on my nerves.

FFS, Brexit is the most important issue of our time in the UK and people are whining that they're 'bored' with it and want it relegated to some hidden corner of MN.

It suits the Leave campaigns that Brexit is hidden away. They don't want the great unwashed to become aware of the issues. They've fooled them once, and they don't want to have to go to all that effort again...

I am apathetic now. I voted remain. I can see why the country voted to leave. I think it could have all been avoided if society as a whole gave a fucking iota about the living standards of the poor and hadn't developed such a ruthlessly vile narrative about the unemployed and the vulnerable.

But I just couldn't give a fuck about the whole thing now. I'd entertain 'the road' style fallout just not to have to hear about it again.

I think Scottish independence is less likely at least for the foreseeable future. Don't you need the permission of Parliament? Hardly likely to be given right now.

And it might be worth getting confirmation that the EU would want Scotland on its own before proceeding.

What galvanises me to actively lobby, work and not accept this horrendous path that we're marching blindly down is the thought of my children in 15 years time and my future grandchildren - who will be the generations completely screwed by Brexit - turning to me and saying 'You did NOTHING? You were there and you didn't even TRY?'

In the interests of the greater good I have lobbed some mozzarella in the freezer , will let you know the outcome.

I have posted this on here before and will do so again.

I am poor. I grew up in poverty and now unfortunately live on benefits as a single parent and carer to my disabled child. I live in one of the poorest areas in the uk. It is a rural area and we have a lot of central European immigrants who work on farms in the main.

I am also a remainer.

I have not been disadvantaged from any job (when I was working) by any immigrants. I like hearing different languages in the supermarket. I don't know anybody who has been disadvantaged by immigration in our area.

What I do know is that my area has had millions of pounds in European funding. Funding that I doubt will be replaced by Westminster. They never gave a shit about us before so I don't see why they will now. I have written to my mp asking about the funding being replaced but have not had an answer 8 weeks later. I suspect it is not good news.

My children are starting life with a disadvantage. They come from a poor area. My son has a disability that affects almost all parts of his life. His sister has had to deal with the fall out of that. I can't see how trashing our economy, reducing tax intake and thus services is going to give them the leg up they need.

I have no issue with non English speaking children in schools. I think it broadens children's horizons to meet other people with a different life experience. My dd once spent a whole evening looking up Romanian words for things to do with school life and making a little crib sheet for a new girl at her school. it

Please stop assuming all remainers are middle class southerners. I have never had and will never have an at pair. I can't afford to holiday abroad although we have in the past and enjoyed it. To be frank that's the least of my worries. I worry more about the cuts in services and things like education. The help that my son needs to fulfil his potential.

So yes I suppose you can call me selfish for making it all about my kids. But my kids are the ones you say remainers don't care about.

bettedaviseyes how precisely are you "not accepting" the vote result?

Seriously Cardinal, no-one I have spoken to has even remotely seen the connection. If they have they are keeping it very quiet and to themselves. And no, the concern for the poor is not what has driven my anti-brexit friends, or commentators I have heard in the media. That is blindingly obvious from what they freely choose to talk about on this topic. My head isn't up my arse, it is out of my arse and listening to what people have said and realising that what they choose to say is where their priorities are. IF, the brexit vote had led to a public discourse about the impact of EU immigration on the poor and how we as a society hadn't faced up to that but need to, I would happily vote remain in a second referendum,. But that simply has not happened and it doesn't matter how many times you say the word 'arse', that fact remains.
Quietrebel, you don't seem to have understood what I am saying.

The EU can't be seen to support Scotland joining when we're in the middle of Brexit negotiations, Scotland has to vote for independence first. Spain was the (alleged) stumbling block and they've stated fairly recently that they would not veto Scotland joining.

There was a story in the press yesterday about a Scottish farmer having to destroy £350,000 worth of soft fruit as he couldn't get people to harvest it, it's generally immigrants who do this kind of seasonal labour. Brexit is already affecting business, and farming will be badly hit.

I voted remain for that reason Susan. I'm Northern and working class, fwiw.