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Westministenders: A Pickling Summer

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RedToothBrush · 18/07/2018 22:55

May has survived. The Turd Way has survived.

Whether this is true is another matter. The Turd Way was hijacked by the ERG who ripped it up and turned it from being a starting point to another ridiculous declaration of believing in Royal Unicorns. Rees-Smug has declared May LINO (Leader in Name Only) in tribute to BINO (Brexit in Name Only).

No one yet has grasped the consequences for NI. The backstop was absent from the White Paper except to say, it would never be used.

Johnson also in his commons resignation statement lives in a fantasy land, saying we had 2 and half years to get something in place for the Irish border. Except we don't because we don't have an agreed plan, we haven't hired the people to do it, there is no guarentee the way we are going that we will get a transition agreement agreed to afterall; its entirely dependent on us meeting certain criteria.

Even the Irish themselves haven't got to the point of admitting the possibility that there will be an Irish Border. Under WTO rules, members are legally required to secure their borders. If we are separate members to the EU we have to secure our border and they have to secure their border. In theory NI could be a separate member to the rest of the UK but this would breech the priniciple of a border in the Irish Sea.

No Deal has moved from being an option to being a distinct possibility.

The Trade Bill passed through the Commons unscathed with a dodgy pairing, the assistance of Labour rebels and the brewery tour organising skills of the LD and Labour whips despite the best efforts of Tory Rebels. It suggests the ERG have the numbers to force things but there still are no guarentees of anything.

We've had calls from Justine Greening for another referendum; despite it being obvious that the laws on referendums being ridiculously weak and just about everyone ignoring the findings of the electoral commision and the Leave Campaign's referal to the police. Even then the maximum penalties are wholly inadequate to prevent and deter electoral rigging.

We've had calls for a cross party government of National Unity. Which has been dismissed by Corbyn as an attempt at an establishment stitch up.

We've had the former Head of DexEu (the department who have refused the most FOI requests) and various ERG backbenchers (who said that publication of documents would damage the governments negotiations) ask for transparency and for draft DexEu documents to be published.

Ian Paisley Jr appears likely to be suspended from sitting in the HoC from 4th September for a month for breeching parliamentary standards, losing May one vital vote. She has however been bolstered by the resignation of John Woodcock from the Labour Party pledging his ongoing support of Brexit (he's been a Labour Rebel in the past). Plus there is the O'Mara Factor whereby the whole country could be at the mercy of whether Jared can be fucked to turn up to work at all or not.

There are growing signs out there for increasing support for EEA though despite it all.

The Trade Bill now goes to the Lords, where there is suggestion they might throw it out, after the Speaker declared they had the power to do so as it was a Supply Bill rather than a Money Bill thanks to the Amendments the ERG supplied.

All the while jobs are lost and companies are abandoning the UK and NI has had the most violence in years, but no one cares because Brexit means Brexit and its all worth it.

And finally, when being questioned by the Liason Select Committee, May said that 70 Technical Notices for Households and Businesses in the Event of No Deal would be published in August and September.

The country is in a total pickle.

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DGRossetti · 24/07/2018 15:34

TM is sidelining Raab and going to head up EU exit negotiations herself

Somebody has to go and explain that Raab "didn't really mean it" when he threatened to renege on the Brexit Bill.

That said, from general reports, it seems the only person in the world who understands "le plan de Chequers", as no-one insists on calling it, is .... Theresa May. So she's probably the only person that can sell it.

Mind you, history has a habit of things happening when leaders leave their country Hmm

Peregrina · 24/07/2018 15:34

Still, I have a bit more faith in Olly Robbins, except of course, he's an unelected bureaucrat!!!

Mrsr8 · 24/07/2018 15:38

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borntobequiet · 24/07/2018 15:40

Mrsr8 go and have a lie down if poss!
I'm having the same sort of day...

DGRossetti · 24/07/2018 15:40

I wonder, is Brexit masculine, or feminine ?

Le Brexit ?
La Brexit ?

It's obviously got maleness written through it like a stick of rock (sorry ladies, but if you want a fuck up that can be seen from space, it still takes a man. Or men.)

from memory imported words in French are masculine ?

What's the German take ? Der Brexit ? Die Brexit, ? Das Brexit ?

"Das Brexit" has a nice ring ... almost sounds like you broke it ...

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borntobequiet · 24/07/2018 15:41

John Redwood could categorically assure me that he is a human being and I wouldn't believe him.

Quietrebel · 24/07/2018 15:54

What are actually the implications of keeping EU law in force in the UK after brexit? Could this effectively make no deal (on the 30th march at least) impossible? Not sure whether this is a technicality or major news! I'm not a law expert so would love an informed opinion.

Quietrebel · 24/07/2018 15:55

DGR, it's LE brexit 😊

Quietrebel · 24/07/2018 15:57

And DER Brexit
Masculine in both languages

Peregrina · 24/07/2018 15:59

Oh dear, Ian Paisley has been suspended for 30 days. I assume that's when Parliament reconvenes. Makes May's majority even more slender.

EmilyAlice · 24/07/2018 15:59

Brexit is masculine in every language except Italian iirc.

DGRossetti · 24/07/2018 16:00

Merci bien. Je pensais que les nouveaux mots étaient masculins ..

Quietrebel · 24/07/2018 16:01

Yep. A phallocrat's dream...

Quietrebel · 24/07/2018 16:02

De rien!

DGRossetti · 24/07/2018 16:03

Was racking my brains for the French while the German was posted (danke).

That's where I get off ... don't want people grumbling about "foreign talking round here" do we ?

Quietrebel · 24/07/2018 16:04

So do I!

DGRossetti · 24/07/2018 16:05

What are actually the implications of keeping EU law in force in the UK after brexit?

Wasn't this the whole bunfight about the withdrawal bill ? It makes EU law redundant at a stroke ? You would need another "act" (someone should make the concept of an "inact of parliament" go viral ....) of parliament to do that. Like we did in 1973 (or was it actually 1972 ?) .

PineappleSunrise · 24/07/2018 16:12

I can't imagine it does anything regarding No Deal, tbh. My understanding is that the dangers of No Deal are:

  • no Withdrawal agreement with the EU (which Rees-Mogg has been working so hard on)
  • PLUS no new trade agreement with the EU
  • Killing all EU derived law at a stroke and not having anything to replace it with yet

So I think this just means that domestically they won't blow our legal system at the same time as allowing all our international agreements to explode. But even that isn't "hardline" enough, apparently.

DGRossetti · 24/07/2018 16:15

www.scotsman.com/news/supreme-court-told-scottish-brexit-legislation-cannot-stand-1-4773230

Supreme Court told Scottish Brexit legislation "cannot stand"

The UK Government’s top law officer for Scotland has told the Supreme Court that the Scottish Parliament’s Brexit legislation “cannot stand”.

Lord Keen, the Advocate General for Scotland, told judges at the UK’s highest court that the Continuity Bill was outside the competence of the Scottish Parliament.

The legislation passed by MSPs in March has been referred to the Supreme Court by the UK Government in the latest chapter of the long-running row between London and Edinburgh over post-Brexit devolution.

Scottish ministers say plans for two dozen responsibilities in devolved areas currently held by Brussels to be retained at Westminster for up to seven years represents a “power grab” and an attack on devolution.

Lord Keen told seven justices at the start of the two-day proceedings on Tuesday that their case was that "the Scottish Bill as a whole cannot stand".

He told the panel, including Supreme Court president Lady Hale and deputy president Lord Reed, that the Bill "impermissibly modifies" UK legislation on withdrawing from the EU.

Lord Keen said the Scottish Government and Parliament would have been "aware all along" that the Continuity Bill was "plainly and directly inconsistent" with UK Brexit legislation in the shape of the EU Withdrawal Bill.

By introducing uncertainty over which government will have authority over EU regulations after Brexit, Lord Keen said the Continuity Bill "fundamentally undermines the core purpose” of legislation passed at Westminster.

He described the Continuity Bill as representing a "frustration" of the sovereignty of Westminster to legislate in any area, including in devolved matters.

UK law officers say in their written case before the justices that the Scottish Bill was passed "without knowledge" of the outcome of negotiations between the UK Government and the EU institutions and "pre-empts them".

They state: "The effect of what the Scottish Bill does is to make provision for the future relationship with the EU and EU law when that relationship is under negotiation."

They submit that this "could serve to undermine the credibility of the UK's negotiation and implementation strategy in the eyes of the EU".

The move seeking "legal certainty" from the Supreme Court on the legislation was taken "in the public interest", UK law officers state.

When details of the case were announced in April, the then attorney general Jeremy Wright said: "This legislation risks creating serious legal uncertainty for individuals and businesses as we leave the EU.

"This reference is a protective measure which we are taking in the public interest."

The Scottish Parliament's Presiding Officer has previously ruled the Scottish EU Continuity Bill is outside Holyrood's competence - although SNP ministers say they are confident it is not.

After hearing oral arguments from Lord Keen, the Supreme Court justices will also hear submissions in response from Lord Advocate James Wolffe QC.

In written submissions to the court, Mr Wolffe states: "The purpose and effect of the [Continuity Bill] is to promote legal certainty by making provision for the continuity within the domestic legal system of existing EU-derived law upon and following withdrawal.

"Regardless of any treaty on the future relationship which may be entered into between the UK and the EU, there is a need to provide for legal certainty and continuity when the UK leaves the EU in March 2019, and that is the purpose and effect of the Scottish Bill."

Submissions will also be made by the Attorney General for Northern Ireland and the Counsel General for Wales as "interested parties".

The UK and Welsh governments reached an agreement over the terms of post-Brexit devolution to Wales, and Brexit legislation passed by the Welsh Assembly was withdrawn.

RedToothBrush · 24/07/2018 16:23

Harry Yorke @ harryyorke1
Dominic Raab confirms that parts of the European Communities Act will be extended until 2020. Originally was supposed to be repealed by March 2019.
Keir Starmer lays it out for the Brexiteers:
And to cap it all off, the Brexit secretary Dominic Raab has been officially demoted and PM is now the designated driver.
(This merely confirms what has been known since Raab replaced DD.)

Tell me, is this good news or bad news?!

Westministenders: A Pickling Summer
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RedToothBrush · 24/07/2018 16:24

David Allen Green @ DavidAllengreen
The penny (the cent?) may perhaps drop that there is no sensible reason why the UK should now leave the EU before 31 December 2020.

No need for elaborate transition arrangements.

Perhaps.

But probably not.

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TheElementsSong · 24/07/2018 16:27

John Redwood could categorically assure me that he is a human being and I wouldn't believe him.

GrinGrinGrin

PineappleSunrise · 24/07/2018 16:28

At this stage Red, I think it's just news...