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Westministenders: A Pickling Summer

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RedToothBrush · 18/07/2018 22:55

May has survived. The Turd Way has survived.

Whether this is true is another matter. The Turd Way was hijacked by the ERG who ripped it up and turned it from being a starting point to another ridiculous declaration of believing in Royal Unicorns. Rees-Smug has declared May LINO (Leader in Name Only) in tribute to BINO (Brexit in Name Only).

No one yet has grasped the consequences for NI. The backstop was absent from the White Paper except to say, it would never be used.

Johnson also in his commons resignation statement lives in a fantasy land, saying we had 2 and half years to get something in place for the Irish border. Except we don't because we don't have an agreed plan, we haven't hired the people to do it, there is no guarentee the way we are going that we will get a transition agreement agreed to afterall; its entirely dependent on us meeting certain criteria.

Even the Irish themselves haven't got to the point of admitting the possibility that there will be an Irish Border. Under WTO rules, members are legally required to secure their borders. If we are separate members to the EU we have to secure our border and they have to secure their border. In theory NI could be a separate member to the rest of the UK but this would breech the priniciple of a border in the Irish Sea.

No Deal has moved from being an option to being a distinct possibility.

The Trade Bill passed through the Commons unscathed with a dodgy pairing, the assistance of Labour rebels and the brewery tour organising skills of the LD and Labour whips despite the best efforts of Tory Rebels. It suggests the ERG have the numbers to force things but there still are no guarentees of anything.

We've had calls from Justine Greening for another referendum; despite it being obvious that the laws on referendums being ridiculously weak and just about everyone ignoring the findings of the electoral commision and the Leave Campaign's referal to the police. Even then the maximum penalties are wholly inadequate to prevent and deter electoral rigging.

We've had calls for a cross party government of National Unity. Which has been dismissed by Corbyn as an attempt at an establishment stitch up.

We've had the former Head of DexEu (the department who have refused the most FOI requests) and various ERG backbenchers (who said that publication of documents would damage the governments negotiations) ask for transparency and for draft DexEu documents to be published.

Ian Paisley Jr appears likely to be suspended from sitting in the HoC from 4th September for a month for breeching parliamentary standards, losing May one vital vote. She has however been bolstered by the resignation of John Woodcock from the Labour Party pledging his ongoing support of Brexit (he's been a Labour Rebel in the past). Plus there is the O'Mara Factor whereby the whole country could be at the mercy of whether Jared can be fucked to turn up to work at all or not.

There are growing signs out there for increasing support for EEA though despite it all.

The Trade Bill now goes to the Lords, where there is suggestion they might throw it out, after the Speaker declared they had the power to do so as it was a Supply Bill rather than a Money Bill thanks to the Amendments the ERG supplied.

All the while jobs are lost and companies are abandoning the UK and NI has had the most violence in years, but no one cares because Brexit means Brexit and its all worth it.

And finally, when being questioned by the Liason Select Committee, May said that 70 Technical Notices for Households and Businesses in the Event of No Deal would be published in August and September.

The country is in a total pickle.

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Motheroffourdragons · 24/07/2018 08:50

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TheElementsSong · 24/07/2018 08:54

Well, he hasn't actually speechified yet. Maybe it's a false-flag type thing, and when he speaks actually he'll say "Gotcha! I'm here to tell you all that Brexit is an unmitigated disaster that will most badly affect the poorest and most disadvantaged in our society - let's call it off!"

(Hey, if Brexiteers can have unicorns, so can I).

Motheroffourdragons · 24/07/2018 08:56

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Talkstotrees · 24/07/2018 08:56

Elements, my heart soared when I read your post. Then immediately plummeted again when reality kicked in. Sometimes I think I must be missing something, but I’m not, am I?

CaptainBrickbeard · 24/07/2018 09:36

Oh my god. Corbyn is a disaster. The Tories are a disaster. What the fuck do we do now?

Motheroffourdragons · 24/07/2018 09:44

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CaptainBrickbeard · 24/07/2018 09:53

A hundred years of women’s suffrage and it will be a case of holding my nose and voting against my horrendous MP rather than voting positively for a party I actually believe in.

ConstantlyCold · 24/07/2018 09:54

There is nobody to vote for even if there were a general election tomorrow

I honestly have no clue who I would vote for if an election was called.

SusanWalker · 24/07/2018 10:01

Jeremy Corbyn can't even manage to get his party to adopt an anti-Semitism policy. How he's going to manage to run the country is beyond me. I'm only holding on to my membership so I can vote in the next leadership election, preferably for Yvette Cooper.

Motheroffourdragons · 24/07/2018 10:10

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DGRossetti · 24/07/2018 10:20

You know you've fallen between the cracks on the pavement when prog rock makes sense.

So, come on ye childhood heroes!
Won't you rise up from the pages
Of your comic-books, your super crooks
And show us all the way
Well! Make your will and testament
Won't you join your local government?
We'll have Superman for president
Let Robin save the day

...

So! Where the hell was Biggles
When you needed him last Saturday?
And where were all the sportsmen
Who always pulled you though?
They're all resting down in Cornwall
Writing up their memoirs
For a paper-back edition
Of the Boy Scout Manual

Motheroffourdragons · 24/07/2018 10:51

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DGRossetti · 24/07/2018 11:08

So it will be illegal for expats to get their pensions paid into bank accounts abroad after a no deal brexit.

I think this was flagged up last year ...

DGRossetti · 24/07/2018 11:09

Interesting messages from the Radio Times (just hit the doormat).

An editorial complaining about rampant pro-Brexit bias, followed by an interview with .... Stanley Johnson about what a great PM BoJo can still make.

placemats · 24/07/2018 11:41

Probably already posted but this doesn't shock me

www.ft.com/content/d615b792-8c1c-11e8-b18d-0181731a0340

JRM's fund house launches second Irish fund.

EmilyAlice · 24/07/2018 11:42

As I understand it, this only applies to insurance based pensions (which is bad enough), but not to the majority.
And I wish they would stop calling us ex-pats.

Motheroffourdragons · 24/07/2018 11:50

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ElenaGreco123 · 24/07/2018 11:50

Oh, Motheroffourdragons you completely summarised my thinking about voting in a GE.

Waves at Susan I have never met a fellow Yvette-voter before.

DGRossetti · 24/07/2018 11:51

18 page article - view from another country. Doesn't paint Brexit will at all

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/07/30/theresa-mays-impossible-choice

SwedishEdith · 24/07/2018 12:01

Jim Pickard
@PickardJE

Replying to @NicolaSturgeon
in the interests of fairness, @jeremycorbyn team has pointed out that his words have been taken out of context, he was talking about "imports" made abroad with cheap labour, not cheap labour coming here

EmilyAlice · 24/07/2018 12:05

I am an Yvette voter too. I also keep my Labour party membership so I can vote in Leadership elections.
I see the Independent article is generating nasty comments about "expat Brexit voting pensioners on the Costa".
WE ARE NOT ALL LIKE THAT. 😡

ElenaGreco123 · 24/07/2018 12:10

Lunchtime cheer up www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/23/theresa-may-maybot-another-wheat-field-moment
Although we should probably be crying after reading this.

Waves at Emily. I have left Labour, but member of the Fabians, so I can vote.

Motheroffourdragons · 24/07/2018 12:13

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ElenaGreco123 · 24/07/2018 12:21

No.